I think the cake is a little bit funny and it also taste good but it is not the 
best cake around.


On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:25:41 -0700
Chris Albertson <albertson.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see the argument as going like this
> 
> One group says these 3d printers are worthless because they can't be used
> to make the stuff I am now making.   For example  "I can't print an exhaust
> valve for a diesel truck motor."
> 
> The second group sees the printers and thinks about using it for new
> products, making things that can't be made at present,  This group finds
> these printers to be much more useful.
> 
> My interest in printing is making machines that can be precision work but
> where the machine itself is very non-precision.  Think about a task like a
> robot arm that can pick up a bolt and nut from two bins of loose parts and
> then thread the bolt into the nut.   Can such a robot machine be made with
> cheap plastic parts for under $100?   I don't know yet but "maybe"
>  Humans hands are not precision machine tools but we use feedback to do
> precision work so there is hope a robot machine could work like that.    SO
> just ONE example of serious work can cane done with a cheap 3D printer,
> search into precision materials handing.
> 
> Cheap robots that can do precision light assembly work will put millions of
> Chinese factory works out of work and allow those iPhone factories to move
> out ofChina to the US or Europe but my example task, assembling a bolt into
> a nut from loose parts bin is really hard so those people need not worry.
> 
> So, 3D printers work well only when the task is matched to their
> capabilities, no surprise there.
> 
> Another use for printer-like machines and robot assembly is the comping
> "post industrial revolution"   In the pre-industrial days when you bought a
> pair of shoes or a shirt, you would be measured and the sod custom made
> just for you.  Your clothing would fit well and be just what you wanted,
> assuming you could pay.  Most couldn't.   Then came mass productions and
> and standard sizing and everyone got cheap, but maybe not what you want or
> in the exact size you need.  But cheap is good so we put up with it.    The
> next phase is going back to the 1600's where everything is custom made just
> for you one off special.    It will happen.  For the consumer it will be
> better, Everything will fit perfect and be in the color and style you want
> and for the retailer there is not inventory cost.   Al of the jobs in this
> new economy pay better too.  No now has to work for $2 per hour in a
> Chinese facility.    It might be only 50 years away, some people here may
> live to see it.
> 
> These 3D printers are the leading edge of this new economy.   They work
> poorly, but think of automobiles in the 1880's they were horrible and not
> practical at all.  Only for rich people hobby driving.  Only 70 years later
> we built the US interstate hi way system.   We are in the 1880's now with
> respect to the new post industrial economy, 3D printing is still mostly a
> rich man's hobby.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Nicklas Karlsson <
> nicklas.karlsso...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > I have one that is very similar and I bought it pretty much out of
> > > curiosity. It sits in the corner of my office gathering dust. My
> > > experience with 3D printing was pretty underwhelming. It is very finicky
> > > and the results aren't that great. It gets pretty frustrating when
> > > something goes wrong 4 or 5 hours into a print (3D printing is SLOOW).
> > > This type of 3D printing is pretty inaccurate and prone to distortion
> > > due to uneven cooling etc. The prints also aren't that strong. If you
> > > put enough time into it you can get some good results but most of the
> > > stuff I want to make either needs to be strong or dimensionally accurate
> > > (or usually both together).
> > >
> > > Mechanically these machines aren't bad for the money. The filament feed
> > > motors are a bit under powered and can struggle to feed, especially with
> > > ABS or nylon. The filament is supposed to be fed through a tube to the
> > > head but I found it works much better to mount a roller above the
> > > machine and pass the filament over that. Having two heads is a nice idea
> > > in theory but I found the second head can sometimes knock your part off
> > > the table. I ended up removing the extruder nozzle on the second head.
> > >
> > > I don't regret getting mine. It was an interesting learning exercise but
> > > IMHO hobby level 3D printing has a long way to go before it will become
> > > really useful. If you are serious about building a large format machine
> > > I would definitely suggest getting something like this first.
> >
> > In sweden we have a kind of cake that have been 3D printed for a long time
> > http://sv.visitskane.com/sites/default/files/styles/
> > article_popup/public/field/image/spettekaka.jpg?itok=wPnZiQfK
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