Interesting John. What ThinkPad do you have? I have had a couple of the
128gb SSDs in our T410s fail, some after less than a year. I have been
replacing them with Samsung or Kingston SSDs. I have not had problems with
either. The original were Intel, which I would think would be decent, but I
guess not. Other then the drive issues the T410s have been great machines.
They each are used by different people for various purposes and run a
smattering of OSs (Win7, Win10, Debian, Ubuntu), all still going strong. I
have a second SSD in the bay of my T410 with Debian 9, I have Win7 on the
original (yet to fail) SSD (it may never fail since Win does not get much
use!).

I also have one each of the T41, T42, T43. The 43 runs Debian 8 and I use
it daily. Other two are a little tired.

Cheers,
Kurt

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:07 PM, John Bald <robotwiz...@att.net> wrote:

> I've had two 128g SSD's fail on my thinkpad laptop. The original failed
> after about 3 years and they sent me a replacement under warranty. It
> failed after about 2 years. When I looked at replacements at newegg, got a
> kid on live chat that likes to build gaming PC's. He said to avoid some of
> the cheapest SSD's and recommended a Samsung and a few others for
> longevity. The Samsung was reasonable at the time, but I opted to go with a
> 1tb regular HD instead. You would think lenovo would use a better quality
> ssd on a higher end business machine. The 1tb is still sitting in the box
> and I've been using a livecd.
>
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> On October 28, 2017 7:23:48 AM Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 28 October 2017 03:55:32 Chris Albertson wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to say...
>>>
>>> It yu want to get maximum life from an SSD.  Yo need to enable its
>>> built-in "TRIM" function.   What this does is load balance the writing
>>> over the entirety of the SSD so all the sectors (pages) get written
>>> to.   Older version of Linux don't do this automatically..    Yu would
>>> have to have a cron script run periodically.
>>>
>>> The file system on a hard drive tries too keep data near the outside
>>> edge of the drive as that is there the tangental velocity of a
>>> spinning disk is greatest and it also ties to keep the data in a
>>> compact area (de-fragmente)    For an SSD you want exactly the
>>> opposite of this.  Yu want to keep the data scattered randomly all
>>> over the drive.  It will be faster and last longer if data is sparsely
>>> distributed.   TRIM does this.
>>>
>>> I assume this is an option to be put in /etc/fstab?
>>
>>>
>>> The keyword 'trim' is not mentioned in the man pages for fstab, mount, or
>> tune2fs. on these wheezy systems.  Where can I find this?, and how is it
>> applied? I found something in man hdparm, but its labeled as EXTREMELY
>> DANGEROUS, DO NOT USE!!!  So I await further instructions.
>>
>> Thanks Chris.
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Chris Albertson
>>>
>>> <albertson.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Building a hard drive takes some very specialized trooling and
>>> > expensive factory so you don't see new hard drive companies
>>> > sprouting up.  But an SSD is just a standard PCB with chips soldered
>>> > on inside a plastic box.   You can almost make them in your garage
>>> > so there are lots of companies getting into the because the cost of
>>> > entry is very low.  But they buy the same chips others use.  All
>>> > that is different is who solders them to the board.
>>> >
>>> > I think the Silicon Per SSD is the lowest price SSD that still has
>>> > resopnable specs.  Looked at them
>>> >
>>> > BTW these SSDs that have the same physical shape as a hard drive as
>>> > just a transitional technology.  They are good for upgrades old
>>> > computers.    But with new computers they eliminate the SATA-III
>>> > interface and connect the FLASH chip directly to the PCIe bus.  SATA
>>> > has become a huge bottleneck
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:56 PM, Gene Heskett <ghesk...@shentel.net>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >> Greetings;
>>> >>
>>> >> New stuff report.
>>> >>
>>> >> I just installed one of the SP 60GB drives in the G0704's Dell
>>> >> computer. I have everything copied across, theoretically I should
>>> >> be able to remove the 2 TB thats been in it for around 2 years as I
>>> >> am needing a bigger drive for amanda, whose 1TB drive is at about
>>> >> 87%.
>>> >>
>>> >> DF says 18% so 60GB should do ok for a while.
>>> >>
>>> >> Speed comparison with hdparm -tT:
>>> >>
>>> >> 2TB rotating drive, supposedly sata-III capable
>>> >> dev/sda6:
>>> >>  Timing cached reads:   2456 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1228.06 MB/sec
>>> >>  Timing buffered disk reads: 292 MB in  3.01 seconds =  96.95
>>> >> MB/sec
>>> >>
>>> >> 60GB SSD;
>>> >> dev/sdb3:
>>> >>  Timing cached reads:   2484 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1242.54 MB/sec
>>> >>  Timing buffered disk reads: 642 MB in  3.00 seconds = 213.65
>>> >> MB/sec
>>> >>
>>> >> While its rated sata-III, or 6GB/sec, that old Dell Optiplex 745
>>> >> mobo obviously isn't. But its still pleasantly faster. Not too
>>> >> shabby for a $33 drive. :) I think I'll put the 2nd one on the
>>> >> rock64 as its lone sata socket is a sata-III capable socket.  But
>>> >> maybe its time to round up a an expander and get acquainted with
>>> >> how they work.
>>> >>
>>> >> Moving the 2TB drive in here for amanda, will give me room to add
>>> >> the machine I use to program mesa cards, and the rock64 to its
>>> >> nightly backup schedule.
>>> >>
>>> >> These are Silicon Power SSD drives, never heard of them before.
>>> >> Anybody else here have any experience with their stuff?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>> >> --
>>> >> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>> >>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>> >> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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>>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
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