On Tuesday 10 December 2019 13:58:30 Peter C. Wallace wrote: > On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 13:52:47 -0500 > > From: Gene Heskett <[email protected]> > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need a power signal independent of > > linuxcnc. > > > > On Tuesday 10 December 2019 11:52:06 Peter C. Wallace wrote: > >> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 11:18:11 -0500 > >>> From: Gene Heskett <[email protected]> > >>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need a power signal independent of > >>> linuxcnc. > >>> > >>> On Tuesday 10 December 2019 10:16:16 Peter C. Wallace wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:46:16 -0500 > >>>>> From: Gene Heskett <[email protected]> > >>>>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Need a power signal independent of > >>>>> linuxcnc. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Monday 09 December 2019 22:45:26 Gene Heskett wrote: > >>>>>> Greetings PCW and all; > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I find I need a way to do a powerdown reset on the interface > >>>>>> box of one of my machines. And it needs to be separate from > >>>>>> linuxcnc. That, or some way to tickle the 7i76D to reset it > >>>>>> before I start LinuxCNC the second time because hal can't find > >>>>>> spinout. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am finding that little power bumps, not enough to do a full > >>>>>> powerdown reset, are killing the 5i25 to 7i76's serial com. > >>>>>> Short of rigging a 3rd hand switch on the shelf to toggle the > >>>>>> interface power, or getting out a stepladder to access the one > >>>>>> on the rear of the shelf, once the 7i76 has been bumped, the > >>>>>> seriel port is dead until a full, several seconds dark > >>>>>> powerdown, there seems to be no other recovery method that > >>>>>> works. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Ideas anyone??? Or do I go get a switch plus socket and > >>>>>> position it where I can operate it from the front of the > >>>>>> machine? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks all. > >>>>> > >>>>> Shucks, I was hoping there was a secret handshake I could put in > >>>>> a rapper for linuxcnc that would tickle the right 5i25 bit(s) to > >>>>> do a full reset on the 7i76D just before linuxcnc was started. > >>>> > >>>> I would verify that your field an 5V power are OK at the 7I76 > >>>> end. I dont see any way a short power failure/glitch should get > >>>> the system into a unrecoverable state. > >>> > >>> The supplies are separate x volt by several amps little boxes, and > >>> voltages are +- .1 volts of 5 and 12 volts(field power) > >>> > >>> This has occurred several times now and has always needed a > >>> powerdown of some seconds duration to recover from. About a week > >>> ago during a storm 20 miles north I experienced about 15 minutes > >>> worth of flickering lights, but no bumps to total darkness of the > >>> overhead lights. > >>> > >>> The next evening the mobo in this box went up in flames with the > >>> fire starting at where one of the usb2 breakouts was plugged into > >>> the mobo. > >>> > >>> I moved the boot drive to an old dell 745 I pulled out of the > >>> midden heap, but it didn't have enough memory to do much more than > >>> email. > >>> > >>> Took me a few days to order enough stuff to put a new mobo of > >>> considerably higher performance in this box, and when I had it up > >>> and running, by moving that same boot drive back into the drive > >>> cage in this boxes tower, linuxcnc refuses to run over an "ssh -Y > >>> shop" link because the 5i25 isn't talking to the 7i76D over the > >>> serial link. Because I am switching power to other things around > >>> this interface with this interface, the interface itself is > >>> powered continuously, with no means to reset it other than taking > >>> a short ladder to the back of the shelf where power comes to the > >>> shelf, and toggling the switch on one of those long 6 outlets > >>> gismos. > >>> > >>> At the moment, that ladder is blocking my access and has all the > >>> chucks, tailstocks and goodie plates for a BS-1 table on it, so > >>> just to move the ladder, I first have to move about 80 lbs of > >>> stuff someplace else. And I'm going to have to invent a skyhook > >>> just to get the BS-1 onto the milling machines table as its 56kg > >>> all by itself. And my back is no longer up for that sort of weight > >>> at 85 yo. > >>> > >>> IMO the watchdog timer should initiate a reset after making a gui > >>> entry that its bitten. Clearing the gui should initiate the reset. > >>> Then restart linuxcnc and its all working again at the restart. > >> > >> I still suspect something else is going on here, as we have never > >> seen an issue like this. I'll try and duplicate by cycling power > >> slowly to a 7I76 multiple times, but Like I say I have never seen > >> this behavior before. The PIC code has brownout detection and a > >> hardware watchdog so should never be able to get into a state that > >> requires power cycling to recover. > > > > But it does Peter, its hit the other machine with a 7i76D (my GO704) > > in a nearly identical interface, but I've a manual switch for > > stepper power there that also switches the interface power now. So > > as long as thats turned on before starting linuxcnc its fine. On > > this machine, lcnc controls motor power but that requires the > > interface to be powered full time. If there have been any bumps > > during that idle time, then I get: > > Are you sure that the 5I25 is jumpered for external 5V power on the > daughtercard? This can cause odd power related issues > Thats one of the things I have adjusted on the GO704, but I'll have to check jumpers again now on the 6040. Can you give me a list of what goes where on the 5i25 and the 7i76D. I've been (I think, there is room for doubts in my own mind at this considerably later date) going by the manual printouts recommendations, but its been 10 months or so. > > --------------------------- > > Starting LinuxCNC... > > . > > Found file(REL): ./6040-5i25-7i76.hal > > ./6040-5i25-7i76.hal:66: Pin 'hm2_5i25.0.7i76.0.0.spinout' does not > > exist Shutting down and cleaning up LinuxCNC... > > --------------------------- > > > > And I have to go do a powerdown reset on the interface box, long > > enough for both supplies to die which takes a good 10 seconds, to > > recover. Its fine after the next powerup. The only diff between the > > two interface boxes is the wiring and the brand of BoB on the 5i25's > > p2, its a modified SainSmart on the GO704's version, and a rev-4 C1G > > on the 6040. The SainSmart was used on the GO704 because its dead > > easy to bypass the way too slow opto's on the SainSmart. I love the > > cnc4pc C1G, but the rev-4, the newest one is both lots bigger > > because it has all those bells and whistles, and out of the catalogs > > for about a decade at cnc4pc.com. Priced way too high for a BoB, but > > what a BoB. > > > > Earlier revisions are a different critter entirely, with optos all > > over the place, slow ones too, worthless for anything moving faster > > than software stepping. The rev-4 has no opto's, heavier current > > outputs and only about 10 ns delay everywhere. And leds for status > > everywhere Everything a BoB should be but it was also $80+ bucks. > > > >>>>> So I guess I'll have to stop at Lowes on my way home from the > >>>>> horsepistol tomorrow, and get one of those combo switch and > >>>>> outlet gizmo's and a handibox. > > > > What I did do was buy a small, refurbed 650W cyberpower from > > tigerdirect, for $35.30 with taxes and free shipping today only. > > Even with only one battery in it, TD has to be losing their shirt on > > shipping. At this light a load, holdup s/b half an hour or more. :) > > Worth it to me if it fixes this. > > > > Can I take any measurements for you before I reset it? > > > > Thank you Peter. > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > -- > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author) > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law > > respectable. - Louis D. 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