On Friday 04 September 2020 13:20:26 Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

> On Fri, 2020-09-04 at 10:02 -0700, Chris Albertson wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 9:50 AM Mark Wendt <wendt.m...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 12:41 PM Chris Albertson
> > > <albertson.ch...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote
> > >
> > > > ...So, to make LinuxCNC nearly universal, hide it inside a
> > > > product that
> > >
> > > is
> > >
> > > > slick and easy to install and use.  No one should have to look
> > > > at HAL
> > >
> > > files
> > >
> > > > or know it runs on Linux.  They can learn, but if learning is
> > > > required it will always remain a niche product.
> > >
> > > Great stuff!  So, when are you going to get started on this
> > > project?
> >
> > I wrote that to show why it will never happen.   But also to make a
> > point that there does exist a pattern in the way complex niche
> > products become mainstream.   Usually, another layer is built around
> > it.    PCs were kind of rare until Windows covered over the DOS
> > command line.
>
> This is questionable. I used a PC with UNIX in 1984 and all our
> clients had UNIX. No graphics interface, only command line, databases
> and ad-hoc graphic programs. This was before Windows, we had UNIX and
> DOS in dual-boot on some PCs, UNIX on the servers. However the Apple
> Mac already had a graphics interface :-)
>
Our first experince with unix, was on an AT&T 3B2 CBS bought all the 
affiliates as a message service.  It was not a good experience because 
the 3b2 was built like most Apples, the first layer of dust and cheap 
sleeve bearing fans killed a fan and usually started a fire. I had a 
halon extinguisher sitting next to it that got used a couple times.  
Then CBS bought us all new systems running on a pc, running NT-3.5.1, 
which had a built in timer in its housekeeping that deleted the 
main .dll about every 2 years. I called Redmond and got called a pie rat 
because I wanted a copy of that .dll.  I washed my hands of anything 
that looked like windows, somebody else could have that headache and 
when I decided my amiga was on its last legs, and built a pc from parts 
in '98, it got red hat 5.0 installed. My property has a bounty on 
windows, and no windows I've ever been forced to buy has lasted more 
than a week past the warranty. I have one win-10 box, a $330 hp thing 
used as a display for drawing smith charts of an AM broadcast tower, 
couldn't make the linux drivers work. IMNSHO Win-10 is a damned poor 
substutute for Linux.  But you ALL know that. :)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>


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