For milling sheet material on a large table, an MDF spoil board on top of a 
vacuum grid is usually the best option.  But for small parts such as solid wood 
items vacuum pods are usually a better choice.  In a pod arrangement with  the 
part held directly is where the valves are useful.

Todd Zuercher
P. Graham Dunn Inc.
630 Henry Street 
Dalton, Ohio 44618
Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031

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From: Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com> 
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Thank you guys for your answers!

I've been reading and apparently MDF with a skim cut is pretty good to 
distribute the vacuum all around it's surface given its porosity. I think I'm 
gonna try that option first to see how severe is the vacuum loss when the cuts 
are made.

Second option would be what Todd suggests, wich is a little trickier mostly 
because my surface needs to be 3000 mm x 2000 mm, so that's a lot of springs...

I'll keep you informed as the project progresses.

Thanks as always for your help :)

El lun, 7 jun 2021 a las 17:11, Todd Zuercher (<to...@pgrahamdunn.com>)
escribió:

> It might work, but you may have trouble with the pellet sticking in 
> the seat and not opening when you need it to, or worse yet if your 
> part doen't quite seal good enough to the table, sucking shut and 
> losing all holding power.
>
> What I've seen more commonly used is a spring loaded valve where a 
> spring pushes the pellet(ball) up to seal the vacuum port.  When no 
> part is in place the spring pushes the ball up to seal the vacuum 
> port, and the ball sticks up a bit above the part sealing surface.  
> When the part is placed on top, it pushes the ball down opening the 
> valve and allowing the vacuum to flow.
>
> Todd Zuercher
> P. Graham Dunn Inc.
> 630 Henry Street
> Dalton, Ohio 44618
> Phone:  (330)828-2105ext. 2031
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonardo Marsaglia <ldmarsag...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2021 11:50 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
> <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: About a chat here on vacuum table ideas
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe.
>
> I meant to say:
>
> When there is a part over that hole and before the pump is on, the 
> pellet will be resting on the groove. As soon as the pump is on the 
> vacuum will be immediately sealed by the part, not allowing the 
> suction to suck the pellet
>
> El dom, 6 jun 2021 a las 0:48, Leonardo Marsaglia 
> (<ldmarsag...@gmail.com
> >)
> escribió:
>
> > Hello guys,
> >
> > I hope you're all doing well.
> >
> > Not so long ago (or may be yes) I recall reading someone on this 
> > list talking about an idea of using plastic pellets as closing 
> > valves for an MDF vacuum table.
> >
> > The basic idea was: The pellet falls into a spherical hole that has 
> > a round groove with a slight angle on its side. So when the vacuum 
> > is not applied the plastic pellet can slide thru the groove and 
> > leave the hole open (I imagine that the vacuum pump could be 
> > reversed so one can blow to clear the holes and force the pellets to the 
> > groove quicker).
> > When there is a part over that hole and before the pump is on, the 
> > vacuum will be immediately sealed by the part, not allowing the 
> > suction to suck the pellet. Once the hole is again free, the suction 
> > will slide the pellet until the hole is sealed (useful to avoid 
> > vacuum loses on the path where the tool cuts the material).
> >
> > Are there any practical examples or any real life experience of this
> idea?
> > That would be more than useful.
> >
> > Thanks as always!
> >
>
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