Hi Todd, First of all that LCNC can run 8 head/spindle gang... machine has nothing to do with the subject line.
And the grumble I often hear from people who have attempted or looked into LinuxCNC for their system is nicely summarized by your statement: " Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold the hand of a green noob who isn't interested in learning anything, charge accordingly." Or as generally interpreted by most: "F Off if you are a green noob and can't figure out LCNC or Linux" Personally I think the theme of the original post and conversation was how easy is it to create a turnkey system that runs Path Pilot on non Tormach Hardware. IMHO, a lot more people would be interested in LCNC if there was a simple easy to follow, step by step method of setting up a 4 axis mill. The menu's for setting up motors etc. in AXIS either for the parallel port (almost extinct) or the MESA boards is really good but doesn't go far enough. There are a few youtube videos out there that show how to select motors based on mass of the system and acme or ball screw or belt reduction. But the learning curve is steep and is just easier with systems that are not LCNC. John > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Zuercher [mailto:to...@pgrahamdunn.com] > Sent: January-24-23 11:45 AM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > I'd like see the retrofit CNC package on the market (other than Linuxcnc) > that can run an 8 head/spindle gang > router, with individual Z axis and VFD control for each spindle. I'm sorry > but freedom of customization comes > at the cost of complexity. If you want the freedom to be able to use/run > almost anything, you're going to > have to know something about both the hardware and software. You want simple > buy some simple 4 axis all > in one stepper box and plug it in. > > Linuxcnc isn't for everyone. The companies willing to support and hold the > hand of a green noob who isn't > interested in learning anything, charge accordingly. > > Todd Zuercher > P. Graham Dunn Inc. > 630 Henry Street > Dalton, Ohio 44618 > Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dammeyer <jo...@autoartisans.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 1:39 PM > To: 'Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)' <emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Running PathPilot on non-Tormach Machines > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. > > > From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > > On 24 Jan 2023, at 15:38, ken.stra...@sympatico.ca wrote: > > > > > > But seriously, in my opinion a major impediment to the widescale > > > adoption of LinuxCNC is the lack of an appealing and intuitive UI. > > > > There are around 12 user interfaces. Are you saying that they are _all_ > > terrible? > > > > I'll jump in on this one. They are _all_ great and they are _all_ terrible. > > Imagine your average home shop machinist. His kids are finally out the door > and he's at an income level > where he's got his lathe with a DRO and he just bought a small mill. He > starts looking at CNC. > > At work and at home he uses Windows. And he's bought into the free Fusion > 360 con job for CAD/CAM and is > now looking at how to add CNC to his mill. > > OMG. What a hodge podge of systems. > > So he starts on the various groups looking for what is available including > even AliExpress which has CNC boxes > for $300. > > Not having used CNC before and not knowing anyone local the youtube videos > become his other source of > information and education. The most interesting ones appear to be ones with > 10's of thousands of > subscribers that in fact are really long mostly to have multiple advertisers. > But at the time he's not aware that > the videos are short on information, long on con for supporting lots of > advertising. > > IMHO, the more advertisements in really long videos the more likely the > poster is there to monetize than to > actually provide useful help. How interesting to watch a milling cutter for > 2 minutes go back and forth > making chips. Oh, and now another advertisement. > > So someone on a forum recommends MESA. > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26path%3D83_84%26product_id%3D215&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > hamdunn.com%7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0% > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=QsuaNDdgukaAklsVBzraskOqkJrgDYP%2B7 > e9BcWa62nI%3D&reserved=0 > Hmm. Out of stock. And even if it were, there's no diagram like the ACORN > one. So no idea where to start... > > Oh but then someone suggests > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.mesanet.com%2Findex.php%3F > route%3Dproduct%2Fproduct%26product_id%3D381%26search%3D7i92&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgra > hamdunn.com%7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0% > 7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL > CJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lNSWiCwuqqIMsYjHAEfR9JqJAjsWNK9DeF > 9GsKztVJg%3D&reserved=0 > > Now I need to wire to it. A suggestion comes up for two of these and cheap > too. > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2F33 > 015669728.html&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a697 > 7%7C5758544c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb > GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7 > C&sdata=LclFcxiqe05h7ZMNmrFS3%2Fri1wQ7cRfBl1KFG0z51OQ%3D&reserved=0 > > Next motors and power supplies. What to buy? People rave about these new > step-servos. One brand in > particular. But what size? Direct coupled or with belts and pulleys? > > So back to the internet and youtube. Ah, this guy has a mill like mine. He > used the Leadshine step servos and > ACORN. Ordered, installed as per the youtube video. Making chips. > > And he doesn't have to wade through deciding which of _all_ 12 or so LCNC > user interfaces to use. > > The above is I think the typical thought processes. > > I'm still using AXIS. Can't be bothered to spend the time trying to figure > out whether I should spend $400 for a > touch screen HDMI 21" screen or some other user interface. Really miss the > MACROs from MACH3 though. I > think that's what's called the conversational interface on Tormach? > > John > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistin > fo%2Femc- > users&data=05%7C01%7Ctoddz%40pgrahamdunn.com%7C040364ad9343477cf2fb08dafe3a6977%7C57585 > 44c573f47cebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638101824085494729%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ > WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=R3 > B7SVuYgzAgLRBVbhziV0q1g1QJi0lI1vbmlsoWvsA%3D&reserved=0 > > > _______________________________________________ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users _______________________________________________ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
