On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:15:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> babbled:
> 
> > the Close item on the E17 window menu should be at the bottom of
> > the menu, and not at the top.  The same argument applies to the
> > Kill button, but since it WILL kill the application, and possibly
> > in an unfriendly manner, it is more dangerous, and should be
> > slightly harder to do.  Put Kill at the very bottom, maybe add a
> > "Are you sure?" dialog.
> 
> i agree this is probably a good idea - its a trivial re-ordering in
> the menu generation code for the border menu :) the "are you sure" is
> possible - though a bit more code :)

I'll put the reordering on my TODO, and keep thinking about the
confirm.  David Sharps idea has some merit as well.

> > exposed root window to click on.  I know that there is a key
> > binding for that purpose, but it is not obvious, and not everybody
> > has that key on their keyboards.
> 
> you don't have ctrl, alt and an m key? you do know there is MORE than
> 1 binding to do this? :)

Erm, I do now.  Kinda makes my point that it is not obvious though.  Oh
well, by the time we release E17, there will be better documentation.

> > My solution is to include the desktop menus in the window menu,
> > which is always just a click away.  Unless you have no visible
> > borders of course.
> 
> ok- putting the main menu in the border menu is non-trivial as then
> we need to keep track of and free all menus AND submenus of this main
> menu. in future we just need to improve maximize to not go over
> modules like the pager, ibar etc. and make smart maximisation the
> default. then ALLthese things are ALWAYS accessible - INCLUDINg the
> "root menu?"

My monitor has tiny resolution, I want my application windows to take
up all available screen real estate.  Well, what I really want is a 15
inch 1600x1200 or better LCD/OLED monitor that will fold up neatly and
squeeze into my backpack.  But that's a hardware problem, this is a
software work around.

The start module shares the main menu, so it looks like infrastructure
is in place to share it elsewhere.  I say with still no idea how
anything inside E17 works.  B-)

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