On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. <wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote:
> I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > respected leadership.... Or even a respectful person!!! > > He went on to insult more... > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE!!!! > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! He was absolutely right, and you were absolutely wrong. Your comments about his attitude and behavior were uncalled-for and out-of-line, but your racist and bigoted comments regarding his nationality/ethnicity were completely and utterly unacceptable in civilized discourse, not to mention in violation of our Community Guidelines. "I see you are French so likely an immigrant to the US. That you are French says enough right there.... Now your conduct makes much more sense to me.... Samsung and Tizen is doomed...." That is an absolutely horrifying statement, no different than if you had said, "That you are black" or "That you are a woman." We do not tolerate bigotry, racism, or any other intolerant/hate speech directed at *anyone*, let alone one of the longest-term and most valuable developers we have! Furthermore, your constant rants and tirades are toxic to this community. Your technical contributions are valued and appreciated, but the tone and attitude with which you regularly present them is...off-putting, to say the least. With a little bit of effort, you could learn to say the same things without the snark and petty insults/jabs at the developers, and you'd be a lot less likely to receive the same in return. What's worse, you frequently lecture the community on our rudeness, our hostility, our lack of self-reflection/self-awareness, and so forth...yet the fact that each of those things can be accurately said about *you* seems to somehow escape your notice. I'm not sure if you are just unaware of how you come across to others and how your diction and tone hinder your effectiveness as a communicator (often causing your message to be lost or overshadowed) or if you simply don't care. For the sake of your future relationships, both professional and interpersonal, I would encourage you to focus less on the behavior of others -- something you cannot affect -- and more on your own approach to interaction -- upon which you can have significant impact! :-) > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? Because he is a senior member of this community (as am I), having been involved for many years, and bears a certain amount of personal responsibility for the health of the community. So when we see a less senior developer getting verbally flogged for no good reason, as happened to Andy Williams in that Phab ticket, we sometimes feel compelled to intervene on behalf of the attacked. The verbal berating Andy got from you for doing nothing more than removing an unnecessary and potentially confusing use of a TLA from a bug report (and by the way, SOL means "Shit Outta Luck," but it can also mean "Serial-Over-LAN" or "Simulation-Oriented Language" or over 300 other things...not to mention it's the actual name of the Sun, so Andy was right on!) was beyond inappropriate. Literally the very first response from you was to snidely critique his time management skills, accuse him of trying to control other people, and ASSUME that he doesn't know what "SOL" stood for! And later on you admonish him for how he handled the situation, saying he should "start out by being nice and thankful," and yet you *yourself* started out being judgmental and condescending, not "nice and thankful!" Do you not see the immense hypocrisy? Your constant attacks on others for exactly the same behaviors you yourself continue to exhibit is exhausting and toxic. Cedric was absolutely justified in intervening. Had I seen what transpired, I'd have done the exact same thing. > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > new to EFL development and the community. You keep trying to place the blame for your bad experiences on other people, but whether it's the KDE community or the Gentoo community or the E community, you seem to run into interpersonal challenges everywhere you go. What's the common factor? YOU ARE! Maybe that's where you should start looking for a solution! >From the very first interactions you had with the community, dealing constructively with you has been a challenge because of your abrasiveness. It's no wonder you keep having bad experiences when you continue to expect help and support from the very people you continue to bash, berate, belittle, and bemoan! > Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from > years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... > I am happy to see some go!!! And it's messages like this that are exactly the problem. Instead of respecting his many years of contributions to E, or simply saying nothing at all, you just *had* to voice your opinion and bully a long-time valued member of our team. What did you hope to accomplish? What was the technical merit to your message? How were you helping anything or anyone by saying "good riddance!" about Cedric? Did you actually think you were being constructive? or is getting attention and inflicting your opinion on others so important to you that you don't care who gets hurt? I really hope you will take what I've said to heart and spend some time in honest, earnest self-reflection so that you can improve how you interact with people over e-mail. Whether you're a different person IRL or not is irrelevant; how you come across online and in electronic/written communication *matters*, now more than ever before! It would serve you well to admit that you have room to improve in that area and commit to addressing those shortcomings. Regardless, your interactions with the E developers have been consistently toxic and hostile, and that cannot be allowed to continue. Abusive or bigoted comments are not welcome and will not be tolerated. Appropriate measures can and will be taken as necessary. Michael -- Michael Jennings (KainX) https://medium.com/@mej0/ <m...@eterm.org> Linux/HPC Systems Engineer, LANL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was." -- Walt West ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
