On Thursday 31 May 2018 18:26, Michael Jennings wrote : > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 8:16 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. > <wlt...@obsidian-studios.com> wrote: > > > I will deviate with all others and to me this is good news!!! I have had > > few if any interactions with Cedric. One of my first and maybe only was > > nothing but insults from him... Which he jumped in out of no where... > > > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102021 > > > > His comments were uncalled for, insulting, and hardly the actions of an > > respected leadership.... Or even a respectful person!!! > > > > He went on to insult more... > > https://phab.enlightenment.org/T6221#102027 > > > > Then saying I am rude and insulting... Pot calling the kettle black... > > I did not hijack his bug report as he did mine... RUDE!!!! > > He had no business commenting on that at all!!! > > He was absolutely right, and you were absolutely wrong. Your comments > about his attitude and behavior were uncalled-for and out-of-line, but > your racist and bigoted comments regarding his nationality/ethnicity > were completely and utterly unacceptable in civilized discourse, not > to mention in violation of our Community Guidelines. > > "I see you are French so likely an immigrant to the US. That you are > French says enough right there.... Now your conduct makes much more > sense to me.... Samsung and Tizen is doomed...." > > That is an absolutely horrifying statement, no different than if you > had said, "That you are black" or "That you are a woman." We do not > tolerate bigotry, racism, or any other intolerant/hate speech directed > at *anyone*, let alone one of the longest-term and most valuable > developers we have! > > Furthermore, your constant rants and tirades are toxic to this > community. Your technical contributions are valued and appreciated, > but the tone and attitude with which you regularly present them > is...off-putting, to say the least. With a little bit of effort, you > could learn to say the same things without the snark and petty > insults/jabs at the developers, and you'd be a lot less likely to > receive the same in return. > > What's worse, you frequently lecture the community on our rudeness, > our hostility, our lack of self-reflection/self-awareness, and so > forth...yet the fact that each of those things can be accurately said > about *you* seems to somehow escape your notice. I'm not sure if you > are just unaware of how you come across to others and how your diction > and tone hinder your effectiveness as a communicator (often causing > your message to be lost or overshadowed) or if you simply don't care. > For the sake of your future relationships, both professional and > interpersonal, I would encourage you to focus less on the behavior of > others -- something you cannot affect -- and more on your own approach > to interaction -- upon which you can have significant impact! :-) > > > Cedrics participation only ended up in my loss of my phabricator > > account. Contributed nothing of technical value to that technical > > issue. Which I do not believe that issue is resolved, as many others > > with elm_code which still remain... Preventing progress with Ecrire. > > https://github.com/Obsidian-StudiosInc/ecrire/issues > > > > None of which Cedric is working on, so why he got involved? > > Because he is a senior member of this community (as am I), having been > involved for many years, and bears a certain amount of personal > responsibility for the health of the community. So when we see a less > senior developer getting verbally flogged for no good reason, as > happened to Andy Williams in that Phab ticket, we sometimes feel > compelled to intervene on behalf of the attacked. > > The verbal berating Andy got from you for doing nothing more than > removing an unnecessary and potentially confusing use of a TLA from a > bug report (and by the way, SOL means "Shit Outta Luck," but it can > also mean "Serial-Over-LAN" or "Simulation-Oriented Language" or over > 300 other things...not to mention it's the actual name of the Sun, so > Andy was right on!) was beyond inappropriate. Literally the very > first response from you was to snidely critique his time management > skills, accuse him of trying to control other people, and ASSUME that > he doesn't know what "SOL" stood for! And later on you admonish him > for how he handled the situation, saying he should "start out by being > nice and thankful," and yet you *yourself* started out being > judgmental and condescending, not "nice and thankful!" Do you not see > the immense hypocrisy? Your constant attacks on others for exactly > the same behaviors you yourself continue to exhibit is exhausting and > toxic. > > Cedric was absolutely justified in intervening. Had I seen what > transpired, I'd have done the exact same thing. > > > IMHO these people who have been around for a long time are likely more > > of the reason for the lack of new people, and direction things have > > gone. They surely have not made my things any better for me as someone > > new to EFL development and the community. > > You keep trying to place the blame for your bad experiences on other > people, but whether it's the KDE community or the Gentoo community or > the E community, you seem to run into interpersonal challenges > everywhere you go. What's the common factor? YOU ARE! Maybe that's > where you should start looking for a solution! > > From the very first interactions you had with the community, dealing > constructively with you has been a challenge because of your > abrasiveness. It's no wonder you keep having bad experiences when you > continue to expect help and support from the very people you continue > to bash, berate, belittle, and bemoan! > > > Hard for me to see things the way others do. You all are bias from > > years of working with each other. I am new, and treated like garbage... > > I am happy to see some go!!! > > And it's messages like this that are exactly the problem. Instead of > respecting his many years of contributions to E, or simply saying > nothing at all, you just *had* to voice your opinion and bully a > long-time valued member of our team. What did you hope to accomplish? > What was the technical merit to your message? How were you helping > anything or anyone by saying "good riddance!" about Cedric? Did you > actually think you were being constructive? or is getting attention > and inflicting your opinion on others so important to you that you > don't care who gets hurt? > > I really hope you will take what I've said to heart and spend some > time in honest, earnest self-reflection so that you can improve how > you interact with people over e-mail. Whether you're a different > person IRL or not is irrelevant; how you come across online and in > electronic/written communication *matters*, now more than ever before! > It would serve you well to admit that you have room to improve in > that area and commit to addressing those shortcomings. > > Regardless, your interactions with the E developers have been > consistently toxic and hostile, and that cannot be allowed to > continue. Abusive or bigoted comments are not welcome and will not be > tolerated. Appropriate measures can and will be taken as necessary. > > Michael
hats off > > -- > Michael Jennings (KainX) https://medium.com/@mej0/ <m...@eterm.org> > Linux/HPC Systems Engineer, LANL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > "The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody > appreciates how difficult it was." -- Walt West > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel --- Hell'O from Yverdoom Jérémy (jeyzu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
