On 30/07/18 18:50, Andrew Williams wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks. I think it's best not to consider the derivitive works angle as it > could also be argued that the EFL were derived from Enlightenment work in > part, and that is BSD too. > > Either way it sounds like my understanding was correct - the LGPL is there > intentionally and will override the BSD license if you want to link > statically? > Yes
> One assumes this also means that all Tizen native apps are limited to > dynamic linking to avoid the need for developers to provide alternative > object code downloads? > I would presume they have some mechanism that forces you to use the tizen system version of efl but I have never looked at tizan > Thanks, > Andrew > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 02:35 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I also remember the eina lgpl being intentional, one of the reasons is >> that it might be possible to argue that to the rest of the efl >> libraries, eina / efl (also lgpl) are more then just libraries that the >> rest of efl uses and therefore the rest of the efl libraries should be >> treated as derivative works. This will likely get slightly more complex >> when we as upstream start merging libraries. >> >> Probably the safest way legally would be to treat all of the efl as lgpl >> and provide objects in such a way that you can relink any part of the >> efl. But I am not a lawyer and its probably one of those ambiguities >> where without it going to court we will never actually know so most >> companies legal teams will advise them to take the safest possible >> interpretation atleast in my experience. >> >> On 30/07/18 05:56, Andrew Williams wrote: >>> Hi Stephen, >>> >>> I was probably over-simplifying but in the context where static-linking >> is >>> required then the LGPL forces certain behaviours which the BSD does not. >>> My understanding is that this applies to anyone linking statically to any >>> part of EFL as they (mostly) all depend on Eina? >>> >>> Reading from >> https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#LGPLStaticVsDynamic If >>> I write a framework which is statically linked which includes the Eina >>> static link then the application developer must ship alternative object >> for >>> for re-linking. Additionally the app publishers would need to provide the >>> source code of Eina that was linked to to comply with LGPL. >>> >>> Do others have a different understanding of the situation? >>> Thanks, >>> Andrew >>> >>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 13:56 Stephen Houston <smhousto...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>>> This was a huge argument when Eina came into EFL. IIRC the profusion >> guys >>>> that wrote Eina were adamant on it being LGPL and even looked into the >>>> possibility of trying to make the rest of EFL LGPL. Of course getting >> all >>>> the author permissions to do so would be impossible so that was nixed. >> So >>>> the state of things license wise is what it is today. As far as the >>>> implications of that, I haven't studied it much. Can you provide the >> exact >>>> language that makes you believe this to be true? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018, 6:58 AM Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was checking out the situation regarding licensing and read the >> current >>>>> state in https://github.com/Enlightenment/efl/blob/master/README. As >> far >>>>> as >>>>> I can tell the library at the bottom of our dependency tree, Eina, is >>>> LGPL >>>>> whereas most others are BSD - which includes the main Efl library. >>>>> >>>>> As far as I can see this means that the BSD Efl lib will restrict to >> LGPL >>>>> automatically if statically linked. >>>>> Is that the intention? >>>>> >>>>> I was hoping to use static linking for a project but I don't want to >> pass >>>>> this restriction up stream. Is there anything I can do and/or have I >>>>> misunderstood the situation at all? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Andrew >>>>> -- >>>>> http://andywilliams.me >>>>> http://ajwillia.ms >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list >>>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >>>>> >>>> >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >>>> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> enlightenment-devel mailing list >>>> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >>>> >> >> -- >> >> Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net >> >> Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek >> SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 >> GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most >> engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot >> _______________________________________________ >> enlightenment-devel mailing list >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >> -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
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