On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 08:39:37PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 01:41:31 +0000 Aleksej Struk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > On Thu, Aug 17, 2006 at 08:16:11AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:16:34 +0000 Aleksej Struk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > babbled: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > > > I'm currently compiled the lates E cvs, and tried wallpaper and theme > > > > dialogs. So, I have some comments on them. IMHO the wallpaper/theme > > > > list is too small in height and width. It is quite hard to navigate it, > > > > at least for me, since I have to scroll the list too much. For example I > > > > have 5 themes installed, and I can see just two of theme in the > > > > selector. My current theme is the one before the last in the list. So, > > > > order to set the first theme I have to scroll the list. Would not be > > > > better to make these selector lists bigger, at least in height? Then I > > > > think the navigation would be much easier. > > > > > > you do know the dialog is resizable? > > > you do know you can use "remember" to remember your last size/location... > > > > Well, I know this :). Basically I tried to be as a newbeeee user that > > sees E first time in his/her life and tries to set a wallpaper/theme :) > > > > > > > > the dialog is small by default so people stuck in 640x480 on vga screens > > > can > > > at least USE the UI - unlike other desktops environment (gnome, kde, > > > windows > > > xp) where some dialogs - especially ones for doing things like changing > > > screen resolution - do not fit in 640x480. you can't click "ok" to change > > > resolution in windows xp for example. > > > > Completely agree. > > > > > > > > these are bad design errors. thus by default we try keep our dialogs > > > within > > > 640x480. you are always free to resize the dialog to make it bigger. you > > > can > > > ask e to remember this for you :) > > > > Can be dialogs be smart for example? Maybe they can have their minimum > > settings and optimal settings. Consequently, if it "sees" that cannot fit > > into entire screen, it uses minimum settings. Otherwise, it uses optimal > > settings. > > what is optimal? i find that having the dialog as small as possible is optimal > as i keep the rest of my screen still to do other things at the same time... > personal preference. and seriously - how often do u change themes and need a > big long list - will you have 100 themes installed? i am doubtful :) the theme > dialog is actually no smaller - the left is smaller - it can display 3 instead > of 4 by default. not a lot of loss imho.
Well, I personally, can say, that the size of the wallpaper dialog is almost optimal. My arguing, why it is optimal, is the following. If I have set my wallpaper, and open the wallpaper dialog again, the selected wallpaper get vertically centered in the selector list. Consequently I easily see, which wallpaper goes before and after selected one. In contrast, in the theme config dialog, if I have selected a theme, and open the dialog once again, the selection is not get vertically centered in the selector list(at least for now). That forces me to scroll the list, if I want to see a theme before the selected. Moreover if I center selected theme in the list, I see just a "peace" of list item before and after the selected. Psychologically, it makes me scroll the list again, up or down, since I want to see those items in full. Btw, just one more comment about, I think, selector. I have the following situation. I created a folder A inside .e/e/backgrounds/, and put some of my bgs inside it. Then I set my wallpaper to a bg from that folder. Then, if I open wallpaper cfg dialog, it starts in the .e/e/backgrouunds and does not find current wallpaper at this location. So, there are no selection of current wallpaper at all. Then if I enter the A folder I still do not have any selection. Therefore, if I have 5 bgs in the dir, and the last is the current wallpaper, I cannot immediately see that it is selected. Basically, I have to options then. 1) just to remember which bg I made current, or 2) to scroll the list and locate it via thumb. So, from the user perspective, I have to "think" - what is going on, and which bg is the current. iirc, the ideology of good gui is "make user to think as less as possible". > > > Please do not kill me with arguments. I basically propose some > > ideas/solutions. > > sure - noted. though i think i will worry about this later - this i consider > fine tuning somewhere near the end of development :) Well, maybe everything that I listed above will go to a fine tuning later. :) > > > > > > > > sndev > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Aleksej Struk > > > > Master Degree Student > > > > Free University of Bozen-Bolzano > > > > Faculty of Computer Science > > > > phone: +39-0471-061749 > > > > cell phone: +39-3204627049 +370-61278908 > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://astruk.googlepages.com/home > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Using Tomcat but need to do more? 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