I'm interested in having this bug fixed as well.  I'll throw it up on
bugs.enlightenment.org

--ZGold

On 9/12/07, Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> the shelf overlap is a real bug and should be fixed. If someone selected
> to not overlap shelfs this should be considered. This don't has
> something to do with autohide or something other, it's just an old bug
> which exists since a while. You might want to open a bug at
> bugs.enlightenment.org so that we have it on the todo.
>
> Greets,
> Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:42:26AM +1000, Daniel Kasak wrote:
> > Time to get back to basics for a second.
> >
> > I've just migrated about 10 desktops back to Gnome ( and Compiz ) from
> > E17, and the most common comment is NOT about the flashy effects and
> > such, but about very simple window management that E17 does very poorly.
> >
> > Basically, E17 is sloppy with regards to window size & positioning.
> > Every single f*****g desktop I'd walk past had the same problems:
> >
> > - Some new windows open with the correct dimensions, but cover shelves
> > because of bad placement. For example if we have a shelf at the bottom,
> > we'll invariably get windows appear that hit the very bottom of the
> > screen. When the window is dragged up a bit, it fits perfectly, ie
> > doesn't cover the shelf. But why does it need to be dragged into
> > position?
> >
> > - Some windows ( usually ones that were previously maximized before
> > being closed, examples are firefox, evolution, nautilus, openoffice )
> > open covering the entire screen. These need to be resized back down so
> > we can see the shelf. If the window is resized to perfectly match the
> > screen / shelf, and then closed WITHOUT hitting maximize, it will
> > re-open next time with the correct size. But if it's resized down, and
> > then maximized to cover the screen ( minus shelf ), the next time it's
> > opened, it resizes back up to cover the entire screen.
> >
> > This is all compounded by the fact that most of the users here aren't
> > aware of the ability to resize or move windows once they're opened. Sad
> > but very true. Trust me, I've tried to teach them, but now I give up.
> >
> > Before posting this, I have updated to the latest cvs from today,
> > deleted my .e folder, and tested thoroughly. I have tried all the
> > different maximize policies. I have only used the default theme and not
> > enabled any extra modules ( I've disabled some modules in fact ).
> >
> > I realise that some might be tempted to suggest that I use the
> > 'remember' settings to lock these windows into position / size. I reject
> > that. This suggestion ( in this context at least ) is a workaround for a
> > set of long-standing bugs. I'm not saying that the remember settings
> > aren't good or don't have their place, but that place is not to cover
> > the above lack of window management finesse. New windows should NOT
> > cover shelves. Full stop.
> >
> > So please. Window sizing and placement needs some attention.
> >
> > --
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> >
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Zachary Goldberg
Computer Science Major
School of Engineering at the University of Pennsylvania
Philadelphia PA

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