On 2-Aug-08, at 2:18 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:53 AM, dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> On 2-Aug-08, at 1:40 AM, Nick Hughart wrote:
>>> Vincent Torri wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008, dan sinclair wrote:
>>>>> I'd say you're so eager to release something you're not thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> the impression it gives. Changing things in a pre-1.0 is fine and
>>>>> expected. Releasing a 1.0 and then breaking it or making major
>>>>> changes
>>>>> a few months down the road is a very bad impression.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that if we release a 1.0 soon, the next the next
>>>> major release wiil be out in a few month. It will follow the same
>>>> release process (some years)
>>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is, the two issues that have come up that are being
>>> considered as blockers are things that may affect how many people
>>> want to use the EFL.  So waiting 3-4 years after a disappointing
>>> release may just push people away.  We should at least try to
>>> address the shortcomings now or people will either have to wait
>>> years for the new release or get a release so soon that they have to
>>> readjust everything.  Either way, I'm sure they won't be happy.
>>>>
>>
>> It all comes down to when you're doing the 2.0 release. If you do a
>> 2.0 release in a few months it looks like we just rushed a 1.0 out  
>> the
>> door to say we had a 1.0. Major releases should last a few _years_.  
>> If
>> we're seriously considering ripping out Embryo in a few _months_
>> that's a pretty good sign it isn't ready to be released yet.
>>
>> If we know we're going to rip out Embryo and we push out Edje with
>> Embryo scripting just to remove it in the next release it isn't going
>> to make people happy. They'll have to port all their themes to the  
>> new
>> scripting language.
>>
>> We're better to wait until we have a foundation we want to work from
>> to get there.
>
> As I said to mekius, this will lead to never releasing, as we have
> now. If we have basically 3 top components: ecore, evas and edje and 2
> of them (evas and edje) are full of potential and ideas, we'll never
> release anything because they'll never be ready and all the other
> packages that serve as base for them will not be released because they
> might not be needed when we change something.

If we already know we're going to rip out a major subsystem it isn't  
time to release. Sure we can draw a line in the sand but it's better  
to draw the line where it makes sense. After the lua change. Not an  
arbitrary date for the sake of a release.

dan





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