On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:01:13 -0400 Ross Vandegrift <r...@kallisti.us>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 06:42:22AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> > Thirdly, and this is most important, STOP CCINC ME, I"M ON THE DAMN
> > LIST!!!!
> > 
> > As a programmer I don't like to see duplicate code.
> > 
> > Please don't CC me any replies to things I say on the list.  I'm on
> > the list and will see it anyway.
> 
> Then turn on de-duplication in mailman for the mailing list.  Every
> message has a link at the bottom to the Mailman preferences.  You want
> to turn on "Avoid duplicate copies of messages".  This will prevent
> mailman from sending you copies of messages where you appear in the To
> or CC field.

That feature is already turned on.

> First, and foremost, a responder has no clue if a CCed address is a
> list member or not. 

Well, the worst offender is raster, and he knows I'm on the list.

> Second, some people (like me) sometimes prefer to get CCs to my
> messages.  For some lists, I filter the list into a folder, but CCs
> go into my inbox.  This flags me when someone responds to *me*.

Maybe you could set up your filters differently?  Certainly I never
knew you wanted CCs, and nothing in these various systems
automatically send you CCs.

> Third, the relatively well-established mailing list management
> methodology (at least among free software development mailing lists)
> is to Reply-To-All and let individual preference settings shake out
> how mail actually gets delivered.  The mailing list is for listing
> members - it should not enfore delivery policy.

Well, my email software has a "reply to list" button, which works
quite nicely.  I am now or have been on many free software development
lists, and really only get this problem with a small handful of
developers, not the entire free software community.  Pretty much all
those developers are on this list.  And given that it's only a few
developers doing this, I guess that your well established methodology
is only being followed by these few people.  shrugs

Taking that to it's logical conclusion, eveybody that ever said
anything in a particular thread must be on the CC list, for every
thread on a list, and most of those people are on the list.  So why
bother with the list in the first place?   Mailing lists are supposed
to get away from having to manage long CC lists.

A more useful method, and also well established, is for people posting
to lists they are not on to say so, and request a CCed reply.  I see
that happening a lot.  Going with the general principle of not sending
people things they don't ask for, and especially not sending them
things they specifically ask to not be sent, is just polite.

None of the above explains why the C list on that particular thread
seems to be growing.  Is there a real problem behind that somewhere?  I
was half expecting to see my name on the CC list twice after posting my
rant.  lol


And I STILL have not had my caffiene.  lol

CCing to Ross as requested.

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