On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 13:34, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
<barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Gstädtner
> <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:01, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:47 +0000 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>>>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Recently I had to do a new install and that's the time when you
>>>>> realize shortcomings exist :-) For instance I use Gentoo and we don't
>>>>> ship gnome-menus or kde-similar by default, so the result is an empty
>>>>> applications menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google reminded me of
>>>>> http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet with hints on
>>>>> how to hack around it. Not good if we're willing to release.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that pulling in gnome-menus will bring in lots of unneeded stuff
>>>>> just for a handful of .directory or .menu, why not create our own and
>>>>> install it with E17 or Efreet? We can get either Gnome or KDE files
>>>>> and derive our own, that is always installed and we default to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments, suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> the problem is.. for this file to work it has to be installed
>>>> out-of-prefix..
>>>> so we can install it but.. we'd put it in PREFIX/etc/xdg/menus
>>>> (ie /usr/etc/xdg/menus or /usr/local/etc/xdg/menus). you'd have to symlink
>>>> it
>>>> from there... but e's menu config panel and wizard will pick up these
>>>> locations
>>>> just fine. if we call it enlightenment.menu or such... no problems. of
>>>> course
>>>> user will have to select it in wizard or config gui... but its a few clicks
>>>> away.
>>>
>>> I don't see why, user can install --sysconfdir or even append more
>>> search paths to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
>>
>> There are some proper ways to handle this:
>> 1) Install to ${PREFIX}/share/${APPLICATION}/ and let the
>> packager/distribution link to /etc/xdg/...
>> 2) Install to ${PREFIX}/share/doc/${APPLICATION}/ and let the
>> user/packager/distribution copy it to /etc
>> 3) Use E's wizard to put it in ~/.local/share/xdg or wherever this
>> stuff resides on a per-user base. This also would allow to use a
>> menu-editor.
>>
>> 3 can be used in combination with 2 or 1.
>
> Actually it is /etc/xdg/menus/${XDG_MENU_PREFIX}applications.menu
> (/etc/xdg being the standard, but you can override with
> $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS as well). The XDG_MENU_PREFIX is generally set by DE,
> like gnome-, kde-4.4 and similar.
>
> http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s02.html
>
> It should be always possible to edit per-user as the spec states that
> user-local replaces the global if it exists.
>
That's exactly what I mean.
The goal should be to provide the xdg menu as a file and install it
into ${PREFIX}/share where such data should be.
Then the user can decide if he wants to use it as global menu and copy
it to /etc, or the packager can check if another package is installed
that already provides an /etc/xdg/applications.menu and can put it
there if not.
As I said, additionally the E's wizard could provide the menu for the
user if no global config exists or if the user wishes to, this way it
works for everybody, allows the user whatever to do whatever he wishes
(what imho always was E's philosophy), while not making any
interaction necessary - also the distributor can chose what he thinks
is best for his user (while not robbing him of the possibility to
still do whatever he wants).
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