On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:13:25 +0100 Thomas Gstädtner <tho...@gstaedtner.net> said:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 13:34, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Thomas Gstädtner > > <tho...@gstaedtner.net> wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:01, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> wrote: > >>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:47 +0000 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > >>>> <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi all, > >>>>> > >>>>> Recently I had to do a new install and that's the time when you > >>>>> realize shortcomings exist :-) For instance I use Gentoo and we don't > >>>>> ship gnome-menus or kde-similar by default, so the result is an empty > >>>>> applications menu. > >>>>> > >>>>> Google reminded me of > >>>>> http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E17_and_Efreet with hints on > >>>>> how to hack around it. Not good if we're willing to release. > >>>>> > >>>>> Given that pulling in gnome-menus will bring in lots of unneeded stuff > >>>>> just for a handful of .directory or .menu, why not create our own and > >>>>> install it with E17 or Efreet? We can get either Gnome or KDE files > >>>>> and derive our own, that is always installed and we default to it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Comments, suggestions? > >>>> > >>>> the problem is.. for this file to work it has to be installed > >>>> out-of-prefix.. so we can install it but.. we'd put it in > >>>> PREFIX/etc/xdg/menus (ie /usr/etc/xdg/menus > >>>> or /usr/local/etc/xdg/menus). you'd have to symlink it from there... but > >>>> e's menu config panel and wizard will pick up these locations just fine. > >>>> if we call it enlightenment.menu or such... no problems. of course user > >>>> will have to select it in wizard or config gui... but its a few clicks > >>>> away. > >>> > >>> I don't see why, user can install --sysconfdir or even append more > >>> search paths to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS > >> > >> There are some proper ways to handle this: > >> 1) Install to ${PREFIX}/share/${APPLICATION}/ and let the > >> packager/distribution link to /etc/xdg/... > >> 2) Install to ${PREFIX}/share/doc/${APPLICATION}/ and let the > >> user/packager/distribution copy it to /etc > >> 3) Use E's wizard to put it in ~/.local/share/xdg or wherever this > >> stuff resides on a per-user base. This also would allow to use a > >> menu-editor. > >> > >> 3 can be used in combination with 2 or 1. > > > > Actually it is /etc/xdg/menus/${XDG_MENU_PREFIX}applications.menu > > (/etc/xdg being the standard, but you can override with > > $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS as well). The XDG_MENU_PREFIX is generally set by DE, > > like gnome-, kde-4.4 and similar. > > > > http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/ar01s02.html > > > > It should be always possible to edit per-user as the spec states that > > user-local replaces the global if it exists. > > > > That's exactly what I mean. > The goal should be to provide the xdg menu as a file and install it > into ${PREFIX}/share where such data should be. > Then the user can decide if he wants to use it as global menu and copy > it to /etc, or the packager can check if another package is installed > that already provides an /etc/xdg/applications.menu and can put it > there if not. > As I said, additionally the E's wizard could provide the menu for the > user if no global config exists or if the user wishes to, this way it > works for everybody, allows the user whatever to do whatever he wishes > (what imho always was E's philosophy), while not making any > interaction necessary - also the distributor can chose what he thinks > is best for his user (while not robbing him of the possibility to > still do whatever he wants). installing into PREFIX/share/... is pretty useless. a packager can just provide their OWN menu file as part of the package if thats what you want to do. that's the current situation. it belongs in SYSCONFDIR/xdg/menus - it mean that by default is stays entirely within PREFIX so its a predictable and containable install AND e can work out of the box. secondly we should call it enlightenment-applications.menu. it won't overwrite or interfere with any menu files that may be in the menu dir where e installs AND e will offer it as an option on start and int is menu config dialog. the user can link ot copy it into /etc/xdg/menus or whatever. -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Enable your software for Intel(R) Active Management Technology to meet the growing manageability and security demands of your customers. 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