On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 22:22, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:12:22 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: > >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 5:00 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 04:14:55 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri >> > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said: >> > >> > going to have to kill off your dbus idea. reality is the pa dbus api is >> > experimental (testing branch). i'm staring here at ubuntu 11.04 - no >> > pulseaudio dbus service. as jeff said: >> > >> > <jeffdameth1> k-s: i heard the dbus interface is in a testing branch that >> > will be merged with pulseadio 1.0. so this will take some time until >> > adopted >> > >> > so... the only way to make it work is via the internal protocol - bare >> > metal. unless you want to wait 2 years for it to stabilize, be adopted, >> > released and actually on most peoples distributions. :) hands up those >> > people who really desire to delay e17 release until then? :) >> > >> > yes the mapping of pa channels to the mixxer channels was cumbersome. i >> > fixed it up to "work" and thus the id + 1 thnig so null (id 0) channels >> > dont break stuff. as such the mixer infra doesn't quite cover everything >> > pulse does, so really u'd need an alternate ui and infra setup. you can >> > share the same gagdte and popup slider, but the rest would need to be >> > different. >> >> PA 1.0 was released today... and what a shame WE avoiding projects >> just because they were not released, in that sense people should still >> avoid Elm and E17? :-) > > totally different things. we implemented PA support not because we want to.. > but because we HAVE to. it is FORCED on us as a result of distributions > shipping with PA all enabled and if we ignore it, some people end up with > muted > audio, no matter how much you fiddle with alsa mixers. so our job is to > support > the PA that *IS* there NOW, so we don't end up with large numbers of users > going "when I use E my audio is broken". > > -- > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a > definitive record of customers, application performance, security > threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes > sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel >
Ok, let's get realistic: _If_ e17 should go stable later this or early next year, it will take a while until distros include it in their trees at all, lat alone stabilize it (for the distros that maintain stable branches). So here's a list of the major distros including a) the current release with its PA version b) the first release e17 could be included in should it be release in the next 6 months c) the first release that will have PA with dbus support Debian a) stable/squeeze: PA 0.9.21 b) unstable/sid: PA 0.9.23 c) unkown (likely not before 7.0, but then again, e17 won't make it either.) Fedora a) f15: PA 0.9.22 b) f16: PA 0.9.23 c) unknown (probably fast-tracked to f16, more likely coming in f17) Gentoo a) current: PA 0.9.23 b) ~testing: PA 1.0 c) ~testing (PA 1.0 will be stable before EFL, let alone e17) OpenSuse a) 11.4: PA 0.9.22 b) 12.1: PA 0.99/1.0 c) 12.1 (next release will be early 2012 and include PA 1.0) Ubuntu a) 11.04: PA 0.9.22 b) 11.10: PA 0.99/1.0 c) 11.10 (upcoming release will include PA1.0) In conclusion: even if the e17 release happens very soon, it will not be included in any stable tree this year, and very likely not even next year. In the non-stable trees, of the major distros Ubuntu, OpenSuse, Gentoo all already have PA 1.0 (or a 0.99 prerelease) and likely have it stabilized before 2012. Fedora might, as they usually stabilize core-packages much more quickly than other distros, Debian of course won't, but sid will have 1.0 support soon. P.S.: List, please don't be insulted if I didn't include your distro, it was not my goal to do you any psychological harm. I included those 5 because I assume that they are the original distros which cover the largest userbase. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. Business sense. IT sense. Common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-d2dcopy1 _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
