On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:24:36 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
>
>
> On Thursday June 21 2012 00:37:29 Carsten Haitzler escribió:
> > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 23:52:57 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> said:
> >
> > > Hey Guys, I've switched from konsole to terminology as full time console,
> > > so I can try to hit as many bus as can.
> > >
> > > So far so good....but I have some user (myself) feedback:
> > > * font and behavior options are ok, but theme and wallpaper show nothing
> > > and video shows few options. But I don't know if this is to be expected
> > > at this moment
> >
> > expected as there is no code to do anything for those currently. :)
> >
> > > * I would expect right button to show a context menu, you know, like
> > > almost all applications do. Though I like were options are.
> >
> > xterm doesnt. :) rxvt doesn't.. but i get the point. right now right mouse
> > is for popping up options as that's all we have. i dont indend on having
> > normal popup menus because elm doesn;t even have them - well it does, but
> > they get inlined inside the window and frankly are much less usable than
> > what is there as the only thing we have right now is options. there's a
> > todo to add copy/paste there for the non-primary selection (same selection
> > as ctrl+c/v), but hasn't been done currently. i'll most likely make right
> > mouse slide out little button things for this with 1 of them bringing up
> > options, but until then - right mouse is options. :)
> >
> > > * Would it be possible to have default background to be BELOW text (or at
> > > least, let me choose where I whant it)? It's kind of annoying, considering
> > > text use to be white and I have a 'solar flare' (or whatever it is xD)
> > > right in the middle of the window.
> >
> > use a different theme. theme determines what is layered where, but the
> > lighting is very subtle now. it's part of the character of terminology.
> > removing it means we have nothing unique for someone to go "ooh nice" about
> > when they first try it.
>
> I would like to...but you just told me there is no code for theme changing.
not in the gui - but cmd-line there is.
> And not sure where to find themes (is there any in exchange? is exchange even
> beeing updated on a regular basis???)
make one. :)
> > > * I've noticed the numeric keypad doesn't work. I think thas has to do
> > > with compose and combos not working, right?
> >
> > no - there just has been no testing, code or effort made to make it work. :)
> >
> > > Except from that, it's a really cool term, thank you for it!
> > >
> > > On Tuesday June 19 2012 07:24:20 Carsten Haitzler escribió:
> > > > On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:54:23 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Carsten Haitzler
> > > > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 21:43:05 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > > > > > <barbi...@profusion.mobi> said:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there are some gfx mode thgins in escapes. i assume thats used to
> > > > > > draw lines using special line characters as it remaps regular chars
> > > > > > to these sequences when in that mode - i think. i've never tried the
> > > > > > menuconfig/ncurses lines thing in terminiology, so don't know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks to KainX and his expertise I was able to get it working. There
> > > > > is now a vt100 to unicode table I got from urxvt. The key was to
> > > > > understand it may change the charset to DEC's ACS.
> > > >
> > > > hmm i am still missing them from jed - must be a different set of gfx
> > > > chars... it's on a mental todo list to look into it.
> > > >
> > > > > >> For keys: I'll look later, thanks. But I just realized even the
> > > > > >> elm_entry does not handle it :-/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bigger problems :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Fixed. Ecore_IMF was fine, but XIM module was trying to set styles
> > > > > that were not supported in my machine. Now it will fallback if
> > > > > unsupported.
> > > >
> > > > ok.
> > > >
> > > > > Also added IMF to terminology based on edje_entry.c, many thanks to
> > > > > Sachiel for pointing out where to look for example. I just did the
> > > > > basics, no preedit, prediction or surrounding stuff. NO idea how it
> > > > > will look like with a vkbd.
> > > >
> > > > it actually mostly works. pretty good stuff! :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> For example I can type ç by using AltGr + "," but not ' + c as
> > > > > >> expected by us-intl or cedilla input methods.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bigger problems indeed :). as i said -i know how compose key combos
> > > > > > work. i need to make a table and handle them. no idea about altgr
> > > > > > stuff. never used it, don't know it. would have to research.
> > > > >
> > > > > done :-)
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> >> These I have no idea where to look, if they are related to
> > > > > >> >> termpty or what. So I'd wait you ;-)
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > you'll be waiting a while as i have never used deadkeys. i do
> > > > > >> > know how to use the compose key and combos, but even xterm
> > > > > >> > doesn't do those for me, so i'm not amazingly worried, but
> > > > > >> > that's about all i could manage off the top of my head with a
> > > > > >> > little research (i'll have to build in a table of all the
> > > > > >> > compose combos). it doesn't handle every escape sequence in
> > > > > >> > existence and even the ones it does handle may be buggy - ie i
> > > > > >> > got it wrong. as such there is no document that tells you the
> > > > > >> > terminal state machine and exactly what every mode means, what
> > > > > >> > modes you should start in, what every esc seq or char does
> > > > > >> > EXACTLY etc. it's all some level of guess-work based on reading
> > > > > >> > pages on escape codes and other terminal emulator srcs.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ok, so far it seems to do okay for the tests I did. But the ncurses
> > > > > >> and input problems are bit of pain for me to change. I'll see if I
> > > > > >> can fix those and use it daily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the ncurses line thing is on a list of stuff to look at - but it
> > > > > > wasn't a necessity for my daily stuff so i didnt do it yet. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > as said, done.
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > > > i want it to be unique and noticable. the highlight can be toned
> > > > > > down a bit, but i want something visible that makes you know its
> > > > > > terminology not just xterm etc. but just fyi - either your eyesight
> > > > > > is horrible, lighting conditions insane or you have some of the
> > > > > > crappiest screens around if u can't read it with that highlight :)
> > > > > > are you using that macbook.. speaking of crappy screens? :):) (oooh
> > > > > > just had to jibe that one in!) :)
> > > > >
> > > > > my screen is good, so are my eyes... but it's annoying as said by
> > > > > multiple people at #edevelop. How about make it your theme and the
> > > > > default be usable?
> > > >
> > > > i've toned it down, but its still there. now with a pimp-daddy pulsing
> > > > cursor too. :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> What I plan to work on whenever time (?) allows:
> > > > > >> - detect protocol://xxx and call xdg-open with it. Where to
> > > > > >> add it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > in termio.c - you'll have to scan the cells fetched by
> > > > > > termpty_cellrow_get() (fetched 1 row at a time for the visible grid
> > > > > > of cells and put into textgrid). while scanning you'll have to then
> > > > > > detect these. you'll have to handle your own line-wrap logic here -
> > > > > > ie if url finishes at last char or not or it continue on the next
> > > > > > line. right now there are special bit markers set to know if it was
> > > > > > auto-wrapped or not that the selection-to-text handling tries to
> > > > > > detect. the selection-to-text stuff is not that reliable or solid
> > > > > > so i need to work on that as its only partly usable. look at that
> > > > > > code for ideas - that is what converts back to utf8 strings too. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > ok, will look at it later.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> - see if we need reset sigaction for SIGTERM et al. Did you
> > > > > >> think about that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ummm do we need to? ecore by default auto handles quitting main
> > > > > > loop on that so nothing to do? or was that sigint?
> > > > >
> > > > > in the child, where you exec. I'm asking because GLIBC's system does
> > > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > if u exec a child after exec.. all signal handlers are reset by exec.
> > > > ecore already sets up sigchild handlers for children and we handle this
> > > > as an event. :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> - change option GUI from side-by-side toolbar (which is broken
> > > > > >> for me) to a naviframe + lists, it's extensible and will work nice
> > > > > >> for more options.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bnecause your elementary is configured for touch (illume) as
> > > > > > opposed to desktop with smaller finger sizes. the term is rather
> > > > > > small by default
> > > > > > - if its bigger it works fine, which is what i'd expect of a touch
> > > > > > device too.
> > > > >
> > > > > no, it's desktop. Not illume.
> > > >
> > > > unless u've messed with finger size or font to make it big - then if it
> > > > doesnt fit its illume. if its desktop profile, it fits. :)
> > > >
> > > > > > ytup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> - multiple windows and/or tabs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > right now this is right on the end of a list of features as frankly
> > > > > > i'm not happy with the 1 process goes down and ALL my terminals go
> > > > > > thing that gnome-terminal does. as for tabs - don't use TABS... be
> > > > > > imaginative. i was thinking a thumbnail-like chooser - wp2 style
> > > > > > with a quick select bar with smaller thumb on mouseover the top of
> > > > > > the term or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > well, if you have tabs you need fast switch AND fast lookup where you
> > > > > are. So far nothing beats visual tabs for that.
> > > >
> > > > if we make the theme allow for this on signals and swallows then i might
> > > > entertain it - i still think its too early given stability issues. but
> > > > no bar of tabs by default. option.
> > > >
> > > > > The switch often happens with shortcut... so invisible. But the lookup
> > > >
> > > > that's fine. the intent was to have shortcuts eventually be able to go
> > > > next/prev term, bring up a grid of them u can then arrow-key select etc.
> > > >
> > > > > where you are you can easily see with the tab position as in an actual
> > > > > physical file/archive. You also need hints of visual bells or alarms
> > > > > on other tabs -- tabs are usual and unbeatable as people are used to
> > > > > it, even with screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > IOW: let's use the fancyness for other elements, like the wallpaper
> > > > > and font choosers?
> > > >
> > > > we can do better than tabs - and i want to try.
> > > >
> > > > > >> - configure background color and transparency (ie: dark-gray
> > > > > >> at 60% )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > right now it's left to theme, but actually just replacing the media
> > > > > > obj with a rect with the trans u want would do the job - if theme
> > > > > > just stayed clear on transparency mode enabling.
> > > > >
> > > > > color classes? One can set the color class of an object, instead of
> > > > > the whole color class if needed.
> > > >
> > > > could use colorclass too - but it detaches direct control then somewhat.
> > > >
> > > > > >> What I did already is:
> > > > > >> - added eina log. If you want your termpy.c speed back of
> > > > > >> disabling DBG() just use configure --with-maximum-log-level=3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > THEN WHY U NO USE IT? :-) Just noticed some spurious printf() and
> > > > > perror() in the code :-/
> > > >
> > > > because eina-log is a pain to use. i have to register a new domain,
> > > > store it, use it, make macros for it, expose as extern for domain and
> > > > then on top of it m,y printouts become 3x as long and overflow lines
> > > > because of ALWAYS displaying filename+line number etc. etc. etc. - it
> > > > is NOT the first port of call because it is not easy. i've mentioned
> > > > this several times before. :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> - removed config from global, we can do something to have
> > > > > >> per-instance config... just need to define a policy on what to do
> > > > > >> and save.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ok
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> - made the options dialog larger, so I can actually have
> > > > > >> something
> > > > > >
> > > > > > you now waste space in the font selector by not USING the blank,
> > > > > > unused icon swallow. thats why i split it into 2. what is the entry
> > > > > > box for other than displaying some text that doesnt change?
> > > > >
> > > > > That's a problem with Elementary. I've noticed that, we must make the
> > > > > row theme not not use the space if there is no icon, or at least
> > > > > provide a theme with end-only icon.
> > > >
> > > > i did the latter :) done now in elm. :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> - made it possible to specify the font preview string, with
> > > > > >> some PITA chars by default (Ox0, 1xl).. It works, but height is not
> > > > > >> resizing properly :-/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oooh... do we REALLY want that there all the time? its a waste of
> > > > > > space and people will barely ever change it. putting that in
> > > > > > another "tab" might be more useful and space efficient.
> > > > >
> > > > > The most annoying bit that leads one to change terminal fonts is due
> > > > > some specific glyphs -- that we can't predict. Some people dislike
> > > > > lowercase-L as it looks like 1. Some uppercase-O x zero. Some use it
> > > > > to detect subtle differences with "a"...
> > > >
> > > > then change the default string - but the entry box doesn't belong in
> > > > that pane/dialog. there is precious little enough space as-is. an entry
> > > > that you almost NEVER change the content of doesn't belong there. in
> > > > fact the fact that u covered up all of the terminal with the dialog is
> > > > the problem as u no longer see the preview - that's why i left a gap on
> > > > the left side to see the terminal content itself when the font changed.
> > > >
> > > > > IOW: letting the user choose a font without trying is just strange.
> > > > > Yes, one can change and see the feedback on the background termio, but
> > > > > that's annoying to have to do it :-/
> > > >
> > > > just make the default string more useful. you have a point about l vs 1
> > > > and 0 vs O and so on. :) if you really want a custom string thing - put
> > > > it in another place to edit so it doesn't continually eat up space for
> > > > the 99.9% of the time u never edit/change it and you want to see more
> > > > fonts instead. :)
> > > >
> > > > > >> - changed command parsing... uses $SHELL and can do $SHELL -c
> > > > > >> $COMMAND if it seems to be a shell expression.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> - use ecore_getopt!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> - use XDG_CONFIG_HOME instead of ~/.terminology
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this i'm not so sure of. elementary doesnt use it. e doesnt use it.
> > > > > > it's out of place for e land.
> > > > >
> > > > > We should change other EFL utils. The thing is some systems may choose
> > > > > to prune ~/.cache and persist ~/.config from time to time.
> > > >
> > > > ok- leave in ~/.config
> > > >
> > > > > >> Last but not least, I get the following error when I run:
> > > > > >> termpty.c:802 _handle_esc_csi() unhandled screen mode arg 1034
> > > > > >> termpty.c:836 _handle_esc_csi() unhandled 'h' : '?1034'
> > > > > >> Also running irssi shows couple of color cmd error (93, 97, 104...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > that'll be the incomplete esc handling. also yes - it doesnt handle
> > > > > > those 93/97/104 color ranges. as for esc 1034 - i cant find it
> > > > > > documented anywhere - even eterm doesnt handle it. i don't know
> > > > > > what it does. i hunted for that before. the 93/97 etc. colors are
> > > > > > just coplor repeats in "bright mode" i think (90-97 and 100-107).
> > > > > > 99 and 109 too. easy to handle without any fuss - but the 1034
> > > > > > one.. beats me what to do with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't really know where these came from. They always show when I
> > > > > start it, my PS1 is:
> > > > > \[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \w \$\[\033[00m\]
> > > > > (Gentoo's default).
> > > >
> > > > all of those are handled in the color escape handler. i added support
> > > > for the ones u see in irssi - as for 1034... i dint know why u get that
> > > > - it's not there in your prompt escapes. :( it must be generated extra
> > > > by bash. :(
> > > >
> > > > > Debug shows the following for username "gustavo":
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1080 _handle_esc() ESC: ']'
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1080 _handle_esc() ESC: '['
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:389 _handle_esc_csi() CSI: 'h' args
> > > > > '? 1034' ERR<29797>:terminology termpty.c:909 _handle_esc_csi()
> > > > > unhandled screen mode arg 1034
> > > > > ERR<29797>:terminology termpty.c:943 _handle_esc_csi() unhandled
> > > > > 'h' : '? 1034' DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1080 _handle_esc()
> > > > > ESC: '[' DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:389 _handle_esc_csi() CSI:
> > > > > 'm' args '01;32' DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1318 _handle_seq()
> > > > > txt: [ DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() g
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() u
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() s
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() t
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() a
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() v
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() o
> > > > > DBG<29797>:terminology termpty.c:1321 _handle_seq() @
> > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > in the:
> > > > case 'h': // list - set screen mode or line wrap ("7h" == turn on ...
> > > > case 'l':
> > > >
> > > > section.. but its saying ?1034" -the ? is important as it strips that
> > > > out enabling "priv" flags at the start
> > > > and advancing past it. should only have 1 ? at the start. as for the
> > > > 1034 value even if the ? bit was fixed - i know of no docs describing
> > > > what that is meant to do. eterm doesn't handle them. xterm says:
> > > > result = MdBool(screen->eight_bit_meta);
> > > > and relkevant macro:
> > > > #define MdBool(bool) ((bool) ? mdMaybeSet : mdMaybeReset)
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > > enum {
> > > > mdUnknown = 0,
> > > > mdMaybeSet = 1,
> > > > mdMaybeReset = 2,
> > > > mdAlwaysSet = 3,
> > > > mdAlwaysReset = 4
> > > > };
> > > >
> > > > so it looks like a query asking us if we are 8 bit clean. if so reply
> > > > with 1 if not with 2. - so respond with a CSI (\033[?N$Xy) where N is
> > > > related to number of reply vsalues and X are the values. but i'm not
> > > > sure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> --
>
> --
> Wido
>
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