On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 14:36:55 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 15:21:23 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:00:31 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:48:09 +1000 David Seikel > > > <onef...@gmail.com> said: > > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 10:18:39 +0100 Stefan Schmidt > > > > <s.schm...@samsung.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > > > On 06/20/2012 10:07 AM, David Seikel wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:41:40 +0900 Cedric > > > > > > BAIL<cedric.b...@free.fr> > > > > > > > > > > > > So make your blingy tab substitute, but those of us that > > > > > > like and use tabs are watching, and we will bitch loudly if > > > > > > what you make is a backwards step for the functionality we > > > > > > want. Then one of us will make tabs anyway. :-P > > > > > > > > > > As you already found out you are not going to change each > > > > > others minds. How about just writing your tabs support if you > > > > > want it that much or just stay with your current tabs-enabled > > > > > terminal? As usual nobody is forcing people to use it. :) > > > > > > > > Actually, I'm not arguing the case for unlimited scrollback > > > > precisely coz I've decided I'll just implement it myself. Some > > > > day. I have a never ending TODO with more important things on > > > > it at the moment though. > > > > > > > > > > Options are good, not everyone thinks the same. > > > > > > > > > > Fully agreed. And being respectful for other peoples opinions > > > > > without trying to force your own on it is part of that. :) > > > > > > > > Well, I'm not trying to force my opinions, just pointing out use > > > > cases that are important to me that so far this new way as > > > > described has not managed to cover. The bling side of the > > > > argument keep telling me that those use cases are just not > > > > important, when they are important to me, and ignoring the most > > > > important "it's harder to use dammit". > > > > > > > > I never said "don't do that new blingy thing", but "that new > > > > blingy thing wont do everything the old little bit of text does > > > > a great job of". There's room for both. In fact if the > > > > infrastructure is there, then both could use it, as there IS > > > > some amount of overlap in what they are trying to do. I just > > > > don't see how bling can replace certain use cases that a tiny > > > > bit of text does a great job of. The people that are putting > > > > in the effort should consider that common infrastructure is a > > > > good thing, and that it SHOULD be able to cater for both. It's > > > > best to get this sort of thing done early at the design level. > > > > So far it's been "bling good, tabs bad", and I don't see how > > > > that attitude can result in both things being well supported. > > > > Might end up with "tabs bad" as a self fulfilling prophecy if > > > > the people doing the work now think that way. > > > > > > > > The way the others have been arguing sounds a LOT like "hate > > > > tabs, wont support them, we can do bling, let's only do bling" > > > > and completely ignoring that little bits of text are hard to > > > > replace for certain use cases. They even argue that tabs take > > > > up too much room, though the thumbnails they want would take up > > > > more room. > > > > > > > > And yes, that's exactly what happened in Elementary. It's hard > > > > to do traditional tabs there, when you try, they take up way > > > > more space. Or > > > > > > use toolbar with horizontal items like i use in terminiology. they > > > take up only the height of the text - UNLESS your elementary is > > > set up with a large finger size to make them big to be hit with a > > > big chubby finger. that happens to be elm's default setup because > > > elm has been driven by development for touch ui's primarily. > > > switch profile to standard and they come down in size to tabs. > > > > That's what I did, a toolbar with horizontal items. Is there some > > way to make them look like tabs? > > > > I'm doing this already and it's still coming out big - > > > > elm_config_finger_size_set(0); > > elm_config_scale_set(1.0); > > don't do that! it's for a config app to do that. run > elementary_config - use the tool provided with elementary. it's there > in e17's settings menus too. Think I got that out of an example somewhere, it was a long time ago. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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