On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:53 PM, Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Christophe Dumez
> <christophe.du...@intel.com> wrote:
>>> There are lots of concerns from EFL developers (me included) on how
>>> the development of WebKit-EFL is being done. The API of webkit2 even
>>> not being fully supported by EFL, as contrary to webkit1. There's only
>>> 1 developer that seemed to care and started to send patches to
>>> elm-web, so webkit2 can be fully supported.
>>>
>>> No surprise there was feedback asking for clarifications and why a
>>> simpler api couldn't be used. Now you come and say WebKit1 is being
>>> deprecated.  -1000 here, until the day webkit2 gets fully supported in
>>> EFL and you start to interact more with EFL devs.
>>
>> The proposed date for dropping WK1 EFL from upstream is 8 month away. I 
>> think this
>> gives a reasonable amount of time for people currently relying on WK1 EFL to 
>> port their code to WK2 EFL.
>> If anything, this should motivate people to make sure all the components 
>> work with WK2 EFL.
>
> 8 months is clearly to short from now is clearly to short. 8 months
> after WK2 EFL API is stabilized and "released" (I mean by that, that
> any API/ABI break of it will be forbidden). Then you can consider
> dropping WK1 EFL. Announcing that you will drop WK1 EFL when WK2 EFL
> is not even stable, is not a proper move in my opinion.
>
> Upstream EFL does use WK1 EFL in the 1.7.x branch, that will be used
> by E17 release later this year. This means that all distribution that
> do want to package EFL with a stable release for E17 will be depending
> on WK1 EFL. You can stop development, only do bugfixes, but removing
> it is clearly not a smart move here.
>
>> About interaction with EFL developers, I don't think we have any problem 
>> answering questions related
>> to WebKit EFL (via this mailing list or the IRC channel) or fix bugs filed 
>> upstream against WebKit EFL.
>
> Yes, you have. I am aware of the move to WK2 EFL since less than 3
> weeks. If some nice Samsung guy didn't try to help EFL upstream to
> move away of WK1 EFL we wouldn't be even have any proper information
> and code here. At this point, the WebKit EFL people need to get more
> involved with EFL. It's not a matter of answering question, it's about
> using the same tool and do that efficiently ! If we don't share
> infromation more effectively, this kind of thread is going to repeat.
> I strongly encourage every developer of WK EFL to join e-devel mailing
> list and ping people there when there is important subject to bring in
> (like new dependencies, feature request, ...). I am now subscribed to
> this mailing list and will try to keep reading it, but that's not
> enough. WK EFL team should get more engadged with EFL developer in
> general.

As a related note: although Ecore provides curl/http, WebKit still
uses the crap alien that is libsoup. Why not start the Webkit + EFL
adding the missing bits to Ecore_Con and then using it natively in
WebKit, instead of forcing glib-mainloop integration for nothing?



> As a side note a fact, that I don't know more than half of the people
> in this thread, means you are not really visible in EFL community.
> That's bad also. We have an EFL dev day next week in Barcelona, I hope
> to see and meet some of you guys there.
>
>>> On a side node, being a former contributor to webkit-efl, I shrugged
>>> with recent webkit revisions in which we refuse do depend and use EFL
>>> infra but we are now depending on several third-party non-released
>>> libraries. No matter what jhbuild can do for devs we should be using
>>> more of EFL, not less.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you're referring to. From what I've seen, we are relying 
>> more and more
>> on EFL, not the opposite.
>
> If that's true, that's a bad move and evolution here. But that should
> be part of another thread of discussion.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Cedric BAIL
>
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