2012/11/15 Michael Blumenkrantz <[email protected]>

> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:49:58 +0100
> Davide Andreoli <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > 2012/11/15 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>
> >
> > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:04:59 +0100 Davide Andreoli <
> [email protected]
> > > >
> > > said:
> > >
> > > > 2012/11/14 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:04:40 -0800 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
> > > > > <[email protected]> said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Alternatively work to have such modules in tree.
> > > > >
> > > > > yup. if they come in tree, then we "take responsibility for it".
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since I've joined the project I saw (or helped) many modules to
> be
> > > > > included
> > > > > > in core. All it takes is little effort to make them good quality
> and
> > > fit
> > > > > a
> > > > > > purpose. tclock is stupid as clock does the same (I blame e17
> for not
> > > > > > having digital clock since day0), places could be included with
> some
> > > > > effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > indeed. though imho places should really become a feature of efm
> rather
> > > > > than a
> > > > > module of its own (well feature of fileman module). e17 needs/wants
> > > some of
> > > > > these 3rd party modules - cpu and mem meters for example, but we
> just
> > > > > havent
> > > > > had the time to deal with it. :)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > We discussed the inclusion of Places many times in the past and we
> never
> > > > found a deal
> > > > Places is in a good shape, I support it and (as far as I know) it
> doesn't
> > > > have issues.
> > > > I agree we should include it in the "official" modules, but I
> disagree to
> > > > "merge" it with efm,
> > > > the reason is simple: I don't want to force the user to use efm, the
> user
> > > > should be free
> > > > to use his preferred file manager and still be able to use Places.
> > > >
> > > > That said, I will be happy to include Places in the e tree, as it is
> now,
> > > > not merged with efm.
> > > > can this be a solution?
> > >
> > > including it and not making it prt of efm is admitting that efm is
> crap and
> > > users cant and don't want to use it. regardless of what efm may or may
> not
> > > be
> > > the message is a bad one and it basically encourages us to give up on
> it.
> > > and
> > > that i will not have.
> > >
> >
> > sooner or later you have to admit it: efm is crap, no one want to use it
> > and no
> > one is interested in developing it.
>
> I'll admit that I take particular offense at your claim given the amount
> of time and effort I've put into making it NOT crap. If you're going to
> make broad statements like this, at least provide some reasons to back them
> up.
>

Sorry, really! I didn't want to offend you. I have also spent lots of my
(free) time on it in the past.
but I am equally offended by e17 that, every day, say that my module is
unstable!
I think it's crap, or at least it doesn't fulfill my needs, for too much
reasons so I simply don't use it.

If you like we can start another thread to discuss the efm behavior, but
warning, my first topic
will be: "E is a window manager not a file manager, I dont want my WM to
manage my files"

peace and love :)
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