------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 
21:02:46 +0000 From: Michael Blumenkrantz 
<[email protected]> Subject: To: Enlightenment developer 
list <[email protected]> Cc: Jeff, Hoogland 
<[email protected]>, Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]> 
Message-ID: <20121115210246.39d6fb95@darc> Content-Type: text/plain; 
charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:49:58 +0100 Davide Andreoli 
<[email protected]> wrote:
>> 2012/11/15 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:04:59 +0100 Davide Andreoli <[email protected]
>>> said:
>>>
>>>> 2012/11/14 Carsten Haitzler <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:04:40 -0800 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
>>>>> <[email protected]> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alternatively work to have such modules in tree.
>>>>> yup. if they come in tree, then we "take responsibility for it".
>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I've joined the project I saw (or helped) many modules to be
>>>>> included
>>>>>> in core. All it takes is little effort to make them good quality and
>>> fit
>>>>> a
>>>>>> purpose. tclock is stupid as clock does the same (I blame e17 for not
>>>>>> having digital clock since day0), places could be included with some
>>>>> effort.
>>>>>
>>>>> indeed. though imho places should really become a feature of efm rather
>>>>> than a
>>>>> module of its own (well feature of fileman module). e17 needs/wants
>>> some of
>>>>> these 3rd party modules - cpu and mem meters for example, but we just
>>>>> havent
>>>>> had the time to deal with it. :)
>>>>>
>>>> We discussed the inclusion of Places many times in the past and we never
>>>> found a deal
>>>> Places is in a good shape, I support it and (as far as I know) it doesn't
>>>> have issues.
>>>> I agree we should include it in the "official" modules, but I disagree to
>>>> "merge" it with efm,
>>>> the reason is simple: I don't want to force the user to use efm, the user
>>>> should be free
>>>> to use his preferred file manager and still be able to use Places.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I will be happy to include Places in the e tree, as it is now,
>>>> not merged with efm.
>>>> can this be a solution?
>>> including it and not making it prt of efm is admitting that efm is crap and
>>> users cant and don't want to use it. regardless of what efm may or may not
>>> be
>>> the message is a bad one and it basically encourages us to give up on it.
>>> and
>>> that i will not have.
>>>
>> sooner or later you have to admit it: efm is crap, no one want to use it
>> and no
>> one is interested in developing it.
> I'll admit that I take particular offense at your claim given the amount of 
> time and effort I've put into making it NOT crap. If you're going to make 
> broad statements like this, at least provide some reasons to back them up.
>
I quite like it there are a lot of things it does better then any other 
wm on my system, having said that i haven't tried any 3rd party ones. 
Discomfitor has done a great job of getting it into shape when was the 
last time you used it? keep up the good work Discomfitor i'm not about 
to change to anything else

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