On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:00:43 +0400 Igor Murzov <e-m...@date.by> said:
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:07:41 +0900 > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:34:59 +0400 Igor Murzov <e-m...@date.by> said: > > > > > On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:18:26 +0900 > > > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:52:44 -0600 Jeff Hoogland > > > > <jeffhoogl...@linux.com> said: > > > > > > > > > In the latest alpha there is a warning at startup about 3rd party > > > > > modules > > > > > - is there a simple way to disable this message? > > > > > > > > no. i put it there very much intentionally. it's not going away. > > > > > > > > > If I allow it to pop up for Bodhi users I know it will freak out a > > > > > number of them (end users are a fairly skittish lot). > > > > > > > > this is part of doing QA. after week after week having people say things > > > > like "i get segvs!" then spending 10 mins back and forth finding its a > > > > out-of-e17 tree module causing it > > > > > > That is not true. The crashes were also caused by bugs in E itself. > > > > and the code path triggered by a 3rd party module. i don't care if e's code > > was to blame - it's a bug we DONT NEED TO FIX FOR RELEASE. making a release > > is about prioritizing and cutting out stuff so you can get it done. this is > > cutting out work on/elated to 3rd party code that inserts itself into e and > > cand then do anything it likes. there is no protection or safety. it's not > > possible to do actually (not for a module or plugin - it'd need to be pushed > > into another process and that negates the benefits of a module then). > > > > > Also there are some patches on ML (including mine) that fix crashes > > > in external modules, but no one cares enough to review them. > > > > see above. priorities. and believe it or not - we're pretty busy. > > > > > And this shitty warning-dialog has nothing to do with QA anyway. > > > > i suggest you tell the kernel developers that their tainted mssages are also > > useless. they'd love to hear that. > > Useful messages should help to identify and fix bugs. And > this warning dialog is to take off responsibility for extra > modules, not to help with fixing bugs. So my point still > stands. helping to fix and identify bugs also means filtering out noise from the signal. > In fact, when i install some alpha software, i do realize > that there are some known bugs in it. When i install extra > modules for alpha software, i do realize that there are may > be some bugs. And poping up a window any time i load some > module doesn't make me more careful or something. tell that to the dozens upon dozens of people that have wasted my time debugging a buggy 3rd party module. it's there because it has become a REAL problem. the dialog box has an "i know" button. hit that and e NEVER complains again. its JUST ONCE... if u hit "i know". it remembers and you can unload and load that set of "approved" modules as much as u like and it never complains again... until you load a new module u havent said "i know" to before. perhaps you should just hit "i know". fact is enough people DON'T KNOW and need to be told. > -- Igor > > > > > -- Igor > > > > > > > (eg get them to unload engage and problem goes away), > > > > i'm tired of my time being wasted by this. we aren't releasing engage. > > > > we aren't releasing places, tclock or any of these. we are releasing > > > > e17. this is e's version of the kernels "tainted" message. as a gui > > > > app.. we stuff that message into the gui. perhaps you should simply not > > > > have any 3rd party modules loaded/enabled by default in any profile in > > > > bodhi as frankly... we will wipe our hands of them and the problems > > > > they cause. we don't have the manpower to spend on that. > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- > > The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com > > > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
