On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:57:31 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 08:18:42 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > > > After ten minutes of looking and me pointing out how to see it, a > > friend of mine was entirely unable to see the list of authors in the > > "About Enlightenment" dialog using the default theme. Black on dark > > grey is barely visible. Can we make it a bit more visible please? > > > > In the end, she had to look at the web site to see the list of > > authors. > > 1. it wasnt meant to be "read". > 2. you obviously havent seen any movies lately and seen the credits > etc. 3. it was meant to be a subtle list of authors u barely notice > until one day u go "oh wow.. that thing is an authors list!" when you > finally notice it. it wasnt meant to be names in bright blinky > lights. it was meant to be the way it is. Like I said, she spent ten minutes looking for it, with prompting from me about how to find it, and totally failed to see it. She's not gonna notice it suddenly one day and go "wow, cool". I doubt she'll ever look at that dialog again. I'll ignore the rest of this telling me how to adjust MY monitor properly. It can be seen fine on MY monitor, without ten minutes of searching, and she will tell you where to stick it if you told her she needs to adjust HER monitor. B-) (Hint, her monitor is on the other side of the planet from me. I'm not flying to USA to adjusting it for her, she does not care that much.) I don't remember being asked if I wanted my name so hard to see that your average crappy uncalibrated monitor that most people have wont ever see it in something they might glance quickly at once. There's a reason I asked her to look for my name. :-P On the other hand, when it is visible, I'm quite pleased that my name is the first one that is clearly visible once the license has passed by enough. B-) > 4. yes - its is mostly transparent black on grey. after having seen an > abominable gammut on one of cedrics monitors, the lack of being able > to see this text is most likely indicating a major problem with the > quality of gammut response of your screen - take it as a hint that > you need to either get a new screen that doesn't suck (and trust me > new screen can suck just as much as old ones, so actually pay > attention to quality and get some good sample images displaying on it > before you buy it), or you do some adjusting of gammut: > > simply playing with contrast and brightness is a first good step - > bring up a pure black to pure white gradient - draw it in gimp for > example (horizontal gradient the width of the screen, or almost). you > SHOULD be able to see "dark greys" all the way right up until the > black pixel - and see light greys all the way up until white, if it > stops early with black being a large band - or white also, then you > have a response issue and maybe contrast/brightness can help. look at > the screen until what you SEE is pure black - or pure white (pay > close attention), and then use the color picker tool to check the > pixel value at that point - if its not black - then the display > pipeline is throwing away pixel values. it's a REALLY good idea to > fix this. if contrast/brightness on the monitor can't manage to fix > this, OR (as in cedrics case) they add ugly banding to the gradient > because they use an 8bit LUT for correction (poor for good quality > art), then you can try adjusting on the gfx card end - some gpu's > provide gamma correction tables. often they are also 8bit, but > sometimes better. xgamma or the nvidia settings tool can do this > (don't know about ati). ALSO if you are using VGA as opposed to DVI > or HDMI, then this can hurt a lot as analogue signal will drop > quality and possibly lose signal fidelity at the ends of the > spectrum. using DVI or HDMI is a much better call (tho beware, DVI > can also transport analogue RGB too... tho it mostly transports both > the digital and the analogue and screen should be choosing the > digital). > > seriously. spend some time with your screen and some calibration. one > of the reasons people rave about macs and OSX is that apple bother to > calibrate their screens. they ensure that they all have the same > gamma response so they same grey appears the same on every apple > screen/product. in the pc/linux world this is rarely done and leads > to the "it looks great to me" vs the "i can't even see it". then you > fix it for the "i can't see it" people and then i go "but now its all > ugly and washed out". you end up with never making everyone happy > because people don't spend the time to even try make their screens > display the same content. they often buy the cheapest screen in the > store (with the biggest inch count) and then expect that all is > perfect. it often is not. the reason its the cheapest screen is that > the manufacturer has skimped and possibly either hasnt bothered > coming up with a decent default calibration, or has poor quality > panels that have low bit fidelity, bad response etc. etc. etc. > > next time you buy a screen - spend some time with test images. > gradients where you KNOW you should see a grey, not a pure black or a > pure white. for starters this will be a big help. spend time with the > screen controls so at least u can figure out if its adjustable to > make it "look right". At this point I could mention not teaching your grandma to suck eggs, but I turn 52 later this month and I'm deathly allergic to eggs. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world.
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