Uh... Why would you want E to use a different theme than everything else? You are talking about the possibility of using one icon set for E, one for other toolkits, and one for Elm. That is crazy. And, there would be no missing icons as we would fall back of course. What code does use FDO icons for E save? You set the FDO theme. If a match exists, it chooses the matching edje. In the case that you didn't want E and elm to match, you would just run elm config and set a different theme. As elm has no business updating E, but E can and should safely update Elm. In this case your E would have an FDO theme and elm would have a different theme, basically whatever you set. So it appeases the 99% by automatically keeping E and Elm in tandem, but still allows the 1% to have different icons for E and Elm. The 99% will want uniformity in icons and that it is what we are trying to make the easiest but with the most optimization. The 1% case you are talking about is still possible just with a little extra work (hardly though). That is the way it should be. Also., you mention needing to modify every theme to contain matching icon theme.. First there is only one full theme that exists right now really, and it is adding one simple line to the default.edc of that theme. Secondly, if you don't update the theme and there is no data for matching icon theme, it will just fallback to using the selected FDO from E and not an edje icon theme. This is not a problem at all for themes.
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016, 8:53 AM Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > > > On 08/28/2016 10:02 PM, Stephen Houston wrote: > > I think Andrew's proposal solves the problems for everyone without the > > caveats. That's what I would vote for. > > > It still has the same issues of setting e to use a theme different from > the FDO theme and .edj file (This is probably only very few people). > Rather then having the second issue the user would simply get no icons > if they chose an FDO theme and it is missing some of the required icons > they would get no icons, we could still implement the match thing but in > the case of matching FDO and Elm theme the user could just not select > "Use FDO Icons for E" which saves some code and needing to modify every > theme to contain a matching icon theme, we could implement the opposite > though so that each E theme can recommend a FDO icon set and if you have > a box checked E automatically updates the FDO icon set for Qt/GTK when > you change e themes similar to the wallpaper dialog. Again that doesn't > give you much more and would annoy some users enough that it probably > couldn't be default behavior. > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016, 6:36 AM Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I'm going to start again, we just had another discussion on IRC and this > >> is what we seem to have come to, i'm sorry if I repeat something I only > >> skim read some of the discussion. > >> > >> Firstly all non FDO standard icons used in elm/e will be installed into > >> the hicolor icon theme this means that if users choose to use any FDO > >> icon theme which doesn't have all the icons enlightenment / elm will > >> just use the existing fallback mechanisms. > >> > >> The configuration dialog will be simplified too two settings (If I got > >> this right), firstly you will be able to choose a FDO icon theme, > >> Secondly you will be able to choose if Enlightenment and Elm apps use > >> the icon set from the enlightenment/elm theme (.edj) or from the current > >> FDO theme. > >> > >> This implementation is simple and straight forward but has a couple of > >> caveats, Firstly if you would like e to use a different theme to the FDO > >> theme and the one provided by your current enlightenment theme bad luck > >> for now you will need to modify your enlightenment theme (This won't be > >> as bad once we make a way to provide composite themes). Similarly if you > >> are using a theme that is recolored and you choose to use a FDO icon > >> theme rather then the one from the .edj you will fall back to blue icons > >> rather then icons of the color of your theme, there are 2 work arounds > >> here, import the FDO theme you are using into the .edj file and get e to > >> use the theme from that or also recolor the Enlightenment-X theme and > >> get the FDO theme of your choosing to fallback through the recolored > >> Enlightenment-X. > >> > >> Dave has volunteered to do at least the icon related changes and will > >> aim to do that for efl 1.19, after that point we can look at rewriting > >> the theme dialog probably as part of e22. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > >> > >> Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > >> SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 > >> GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> enlightenment-devel mailing list > >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > enlightenment-devel mailing list > > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > > > > -- > > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > enlightenment-devel mailing list > enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
