On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:59:20 +1030 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said: > > > On 01/30/2017 01:06 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 08:24:05 +1030 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said: > > > >> Morning Raster > >> > >> I think this is still useful, It shows when you have an application like > >> libreoffice or firefox blocking the shutdown giving an indication that > >> something is actually happening, animations etc don't show up until > >> after the final application is shown. (Yes i'm too lazy to close most > >> applications before logging out). > > > > does it show that that is a problem? all it does is show what is blocking > > you? i think this can just be done another way. > > > > that sys thing was an actual window that was "borderless" which it shouldnt > > really be. i actually never hit something blocking my > > shutdown/reboot/logout so i never see the problem... but i know from > > simulating it that you are pretty much left to figure it out yourself and > > it takes a while to timeout. > > > > what probably should happen is: > > > > 1. have a very short timeout (< 5 seconds - maybe 2 or 3) which should > > negate any need for any status. reality is any app should respond within > > this time unless it's being really bad (either it's hung, swapped out due > > to very low memory and a lot of it has to be swapped in for it to shut > > down, or it's doing a "are you sure you want to exit with unsaved changes" > > kind of refusal to close) > > > > 2. any windows that have not been closed by timeout, the user should be > > taken to and shown. > > > > #1 is a very quick fix. #2 is more of a feature add. > > > > i just really don't want to bring back those dialogs. they are from long > > before we did any compositing and so showing a "dialog" was pretty much the > > extent of things we could really do nicely. admittedly i'm mostly > > interesting in the suspend/hibernate as i really see no point having a > > dialog there as fading to black is the slick thing to do because when you > > suspend or hibernate... that is the ultimate state of the screen in 99.9% > > of cases. same on shutdown and reboot and even on logout i would EXPECT > > whatever you log out to (likely the login manager) to then restore the > > screen by "fading in from black" as that is what would happen generally on > > boot and it's the one state i think everyone can agree on as an assumed > > previous state (also black/off/backlight off is where you can reconfigure > > resolutions and other modes and not have visible artefacts if done > > right). :) so the only issues would be if 1. > > suspend/hibernate/reboot/shutdown/logout is not working (and likely a lower > > system issue in all cases EXCEPT the "apps refusing to exit cleanly" case). > > > > so how to deal with apps refusing to exit? we can definitely do it better > > than we did before. > > > > Currently there is a dialog that comes up after a few seconds which > gives you the option to cancel the logout or ignore those apps and > logout anyway, if you make no decision after 1 minute it will logout > anyway, this is really good behavior. Normally I press the logout now > button but occasionally I find myself going oh crap I meant to save that > or I forgot I had that virtual machine running, i'm going to cancel the > logout fix the issues then logout again.
actually that and many dialogs were broken... until i just pushed a fix... but it came up after 15 seconds... too long. :) i've dropped it to 3. you still have 60 seconds to decide what to do before it marches on anyway... :) what it doesn't do is point out the apps/windows and take you there. that probably is the better thing to do. iterate over windows that are still up and switch to that desktop - send focus there etc... :) OR perhaps list them in the dialog and allow you to click on them int he list and close them there or switch to them from there and address the issue. :) > As long as that behavior is kept I don't mind, As for taking the user > there, thats harder then you think. Given I normally have 5 firefox > windows (across several virtual desktops), Libre office on another > virtual desktop and hexchat on another, all that will block shutdown how > do you take me to all of them? half will launch a popup on the current > desktop anyway. take you to the newest windows that are still around - this likely will be the dialogs... :) > An extra nice feature might be adding a list of programs that block > shutdown to an ignore list. For example firefox will always ask about > closing X tabs and Hexchat will always ask about leaving networks i'm > still connected too and in both these cases I don't really care where as > if thunderbird does that means I have a draft email I forgot to send and > i'd generally like to cancel the shutdown to make sure its sent. sounds like firefox and hexchat are very annoying... they don't have options to disable that behavior? either way 3 seconds until the "it's taking too long" dialog will let you hit the "do it now damn-it!" button earlier. :) > >> On 01/02/2017 08:25 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >>> raster pushed a commit to branch master. > >>> > >>> http://git.enlightenment.org/core/enlightenment.git/commit/?id=8b9fee916ec3dfe5f60c0c4eabe187f500ee5b96 > >>> > >>> commit 8b9fee916ec3dfe5f60c0c4eabe187f500ee5b96 > >>> Author: Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> > >>> Date: Thu Dec 29 21:14:28 2016 +0900 > >>> > >>> e sys - remove system action dialogs as comp actually does this > >>> > >>> so we have some dialog saying we're suspending/shutting down etc. etc. > >>> and this is really pointless as comp already does a screen-wide effect > >>> like fading out etc. and these dialogs were added long before we had a > >>> compositor. there isn't much point anymore so remove them and let comp > >>> deal with it. > >>> --- > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > >> > >> Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > >> SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 > >> GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > >> > > > > > > -- > > Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net > > Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek > SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 > GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler) ras...@rasterman.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot _______________________________________________ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
