On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Sep 2017 16:16:39 +0930 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said:
>
>>
>>
>> On 02/09/17 23:55, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> > On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:53:05 +0930 Simon Lees <sfl...@suse.de> said:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 02/09/17 10:51, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> >>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 20:38:59 +0200 marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de said:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 01, 2017 at 08:07:18PM +0200, Davide Andreoli wrote:
>> >>>>> 2017-09-01 19:50 GMT+02:00 Mike Blumenkrantz
>> >>>>> <michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com
>> >>>>>> :
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> It seems that the two build systems have fallen out of sync far faster
>> >>>>>> than I expected, and the autotools build is both no longer functional
>> >>>>>> and cannot provide a dist which is able to build using meson.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm not particularly interested in putting in even more work to try 
>> >>>>>> and
>> >>>>>> maintain something which is pending removal, so if anyone is super
>> >>>>>> interested in keeping it for the E22 release then patches are welcome,
>> >>>>>> otherwise I'll plan to remove autotools entirely next week before
>> >>>>>> starting the official release cycle.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> +1
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just probebly checking if meson versions etc. fit the most distros, so
>> >>>> we dont leave users behind.
>> >>>
>> >>> i think then autogen.sh should do what rage does and do a meson build
>> >>> setup and fix appropriate INSTALL files etc. for how to build...
>> >>>
>> >>> but we also should get some decent testing across multiple OS's like
>> >>> freebsd, openbsd (i know netstar maintains these as running systems ! 
>> >>> :)).
>> >>> to ensure at least on a lot of targets it builds right. package
>> >>> maintainers too would be really fantastic if they could switch and test
>> >>> there too in package build env's
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Speaking with a distro maintainers hat on, for this to be usable there
>> >> needs to be considerably more documentation, neither meson --help,
>> >> README or README.wayland tell me how to enable or disable building with
>> >> git. All that stuff simply should be there before you get distro's to
>> >> try it (or intend to remove autotools) otherwise your just wasting our
>> >> time. Equally the html documentation is not built automatically and
>> >> there is no indication of how one might build it.
>> >
>> > copying the above docs over and autogen.sh over would solve that. i can do
>> > it now if you want... but it's mean autogen is now meson not autofoo so
>> > autofoo build will effectively be disabled for most people.
>> >
>>
>> If meson --help listed the supported set of build flags that would be a
>> good starting point and likely good enough for me atleast but as of when
>> I wrote the email there was nothing which is annoying.
>
> meson just can't do that. not until you set up a build. then it will list
> options. see the INSTALL file in rage. you will just have to cat
> meson_options.txt to get project specific options (beyond the std meson ones).
> this is how meson works. there is nothing we can do about it. --help doesnt
> work like autotools.

maybe mesonconf without argument ? See
http://mesonbuild.com/Build-options.html at the bottom

Vincent

>
>> >> As a side note, git is also required for building (which wasn't the case
>> >> before).
>> >
>> > that is actually incorrect. git is required to create the dist tarball 
>> > only.
>> >
>>
>> Git is required because if you try and do a build on a VM or chroot
>> without git installed meson will complain that git is not installed,
>> whether its used or not is another question but currently the e build
>> requires it. I'm not saying that its bad to need it its just another
>> change distro packagers should be aware of.
>
> well then its a build requires, but it's not USED. it doesnt need a git clone
> to do it. consider it then a build requirement OF meson. in fact it SHOULD be 
> a
> depends of the meson package then and have nothing to do with us. :)
>
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