On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:22:46 -0800 Marc MERLIN <marc_...@merlins.org> said:
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:13:38PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > > On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 19:35:21 -0800 Marc MERLIN <marc_...@merlins.org> said: > > > > hey marc! :) > > 'Raster', that sounds familiar. Did we work somewhere together, or maybe we > met at some linux conference in Australia or something? ;-) NEVVVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! :) > > > I got 0.16.999.55225-1 from debian-testing and I see from > > > > going to need to say this... that's quite old and a LOT has been fixed or > > improved since. (that's a package from about december 2010)... we have > > released tarballs, releases of efl and snapshots since. no debian developer > > has seen fit to package them. > > Thanks for letting me know, I couldn't easily tell how old '55225' was. very old. i remember seeing dinosaurs roaming around back then. > > > http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=download&l=en > > > that 0.16.999.65643 is latest. Not sure if debian is trailing because of > > > stability issues, or because they're slacking :) > > > > slacking. > > Thanks for the heads up. > So, I know you got me to compile and maintain my own e16 from source in > 1999, but well, it's not 1999 anymore :) and more generally I maintain so > many packages for work already that I get lazy at home and like stuff that's > already been packaged and integrated correctly. lazy bugger :) > For the benefit of the list archives. I looked around, and here's what I > found: > http://debe17.com/deb_page/deb_install_page.html > seems to be a badly packaged shell script to build source. Nice idea. > I'll use this next if I have to. > > https://launchpad.net/~hannes-janetzek/+archive/enlightenment-svn > Damn, I just left ubuntu for debian and ubuntu actually had nice e17 > packages (usually it's debian that beats ubuntu with working packages, > especially since e16 as shipped in ubuntu doesn't every work due to missing > files). > > The good news is that the lucid packages install fine on debian testing, so > I picked that for now. > The only problem I found was that my application menu expands to an empty > menu. > The old (debian) e17 asked me which menu config from /etc/xdg/menus I wanted > to use. > The new one asked me nothing about menus when I wiped my config and while I > do have /etc/xdg/menus/enlightenment-applications.menu , I have an empty > menu (I had to go to ALT+CTRL+F1 and run DISPLAY=0 xterm to get myself > started :) ). ummm... enlightenment has a config tool to choose menu - it does support /etc/xdg/menus - it ALWAYS has. in fact it used to (before i added enlightenment.menu) default to applications.menu (the xdg default menu u are meant to have) and not even allow you to change it later on. > Any idea how I can tell e17 to get its menus from /etc/xdg/menus if it's not > configured properly by default? there by default. there's a settings dialog for it: http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-4f39fd41cfcd93.15843629.jpg it amalgamates manu xdg/menus locations (yes including ~/.config/menus) int that list for simplicity. unless package missed the enlightenment.menu that's installed from src - your apps menu should work, as enlightenment.menu is the default. > > > Here are the issues I have so far: > > I'll skip the answers that made sense and I have nofollowup question on. > Thanks for those. > > > > 2) systray. > > > The mailing list says to read the FAQ but does not give a > > > link. I already read http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/FAQ > > > Is it the right FAQ? > > > > it's there- systray module. add systray gadget to your shelf once you loaded > > it. it will have issues and gotchas, but it does work. > > May I recommend that you have it enabled by default for a new config? > Several apps heavily depend on it. i despise tray... but yes - should have it there - the current standard config is not up for release quality yet. it's functional. lots of tuning to do. i'd argue we need click-to-focus as default too and a taskbar (tasks module) too. > > > It says there is a systray but I have enabled it in system/modules and > > > it does not seem to show up anywhere. > > > Is it buggy in my version, or am I not understanding where it shows up? > > > For now I'm using stalonetray and that works. > > > > load module, then add systray to your chosen shelf (in shelf contents - > > right click menu on shelf). > > Damn, you're right, but this is convoluted. > When I add the 'tasks' module, it goes in my bottom shelf automatically. > Why does the systray module (which I do recommend you make default, even if > I know you're not a fan of systray), not show up in my bottom/default shelf > when I enable it? well MODULES are runtime patches that modify e's code (hook in at points). the gadget system consists of gadget provides that create a gadget class and gadcon's (gadget containers) that are configured to lay out a list of gadgets in a specific way -t hey ask for a gadcon of a given name and then it provides a gadget. it's very generic and that's just how it works. it's not meant to be user friendly - playing with modules it kind of an "advanced topic" :) > > > 4) battery widget does not show battery value, while 'acpi' does. > > > > i've never had this not work. battery supports hal, udev and its own > > internal battery status fetcher and all work for me. always have worked. > > It works in the new version of e17 I just installed :) cool. > > > 5) what does the dbus extension do? > > > > adds dbus api's to e17 - it's an example of how to extend e17's dbus api's > > so you can remote control e more. > > Ah, a bit like eesh before? cool. kind of - but use dbus-send now. an enlightenment_remote script is included to make this a bit simpler (calls dbus-send with the correct dbus domain stuff for you). since e17 can be patched/extended at runtime, it can be extended to provide all sorts of weird and wonderful remote control commands via dbus. e provides a fairly bare minimum set that's enough to bootstrap your way to happiness (well with a few modules to extend things). > > > 6) temperature widget shows 'NA' and setup shows nothing on how to > > > configure it. > > > it didn't find a temperature sensor (that is in the list of sensors it > > supports/knows about). > > I have lm-sensors installed, it shows a lot of data (16 temperatures) > The temp sensor settings do not let me pick which sensor value to read like > let's say procmeter3 does. > I'm guessing it randomly picks a temperature probe that doesn't exist on my > laptop (I can't guess which one), and errors out. > > Ah I was able to switchfrom 'internal' to 'udev', and it now seems to pick > 'temp1' from lm-sensors. It would be nice if the temp was always displayed > and not just when I mouse over though. > (ah, I see that is also theme dependent. When I switched to another theme, > temps started being displayed all the time). temp module is mostly ancient.. like from 2003/4 or so. i wrote it to handle the temp sensor i had because my bloody pentium-4 dell laptop and it kept overheating and going into cpu throttling... :( > > > 7) the black and white theme (default) does not allow me to expand > > > window sizes from their sides. Just from the top and bottom. > > > Is that by design in that theme? (I haven't tried other ones yet, for > > > some reason debian only seems to ship one). > > > > design decision. you can change theme or border styles to have any kind of > > border you like. :) > > e16 came with a few nices hemes. Both packages I got from e17 only have one > theme, aka 'default'/black and white. > Would you consider shipping 5 to 10 themes that are known to be of good > quality to let the user quickly try a few themes and see what is theme > specific, like the window borders missing on the sides :) theme is already big enough - we are only going to ship with 1. we have enough trouble getting it up to snuff/perfect. :( this is a matter of just allocating time to get things done and get a release out. we will integrate to online theme, wallpaper etc. resources - we used to have stuf (exchange) but it bitrotted and the online service is.. well.. limping. :( that will eventually need fixing. > I see that http://e17-stuff.org/ has a bunch of themes. > > > > 8) I used to get a list of active windows with alt+middle mouse button, > > > but I see e17 has been neutered to only work with the first button. > > > Is there a way (another theme?) to use all 3 mouse buttons again? > > > > middle click on desktop for the same, or ctrl+menu key for that menu > > Doh. I didn't see it was middle click without alt. Old habits die hard :) :) > > you can change the mouse buttons bound for the menus above - see: > > settings -> input -> mouse buttons > > Yes, I missed that menu, I didn't realize that I should not go through the > menu options and look for it there, but just click on 'Settings'/Settings > Panel. LOTs of settings... all with guis :) > Speaking of which, is there a setting when I open menus that render off > screen to the right to have everything autoscroll to the left before I move > my cursor all the way to the right? > (if it's obscured, it should scroll by itself, not wait for me to do it). nup - no such option. reason - menus can easily be bigger than the screen and so u need to scroll anyway. this means the menu always consistently pops up the same location relative to the mouse and you can use "habits" as opposed to having to adapt. well ok - menus already try and pop up the first time away from the screen edge - but after that submenus always are at a fixed position relative to the parent for consistency. no plans to change that at this stage (many many many other fish to fry :)) > Makes sense? > > Thanks for the replies. > > Marc > -- > "A mouse is a device used to point at the xterm you want to type in" - A.S.R. > Microsoft is to operating systems .... > .... what McDonalds is to gourmet > cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Try before you buy = See our experts in action! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! 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