On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:48:40 -0300 Wido <wido...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll speak for myself. I don't like pulse, really. I don't.
> 
> Having an audio layer over an audio layer, to me, sucks. And I don't
> see any advantages on having it (well, maybe is simpler to configure,
> I may give you that)
> 
> My system has an onboard ATI chipset for audio and video (has HDMI),
> and a discrete NVidia 550 (also has hdmi). I'm using 2 monitors, one
> with DVI and the other with DVI->VGA. I'm using the onboard sound
> card (has 6 plugs). And i DON'T have anything related to pulse
> installed.
> 
> In my experience, it is possible to have everything 'just working'. I
> reinstalled debian wheezy 2 weeks ago, I did not configure alsa and
> it just works. E has a mixer module, it recognises both sound cars
> (right click on gadget -> preferences) and you may select which
> channel to default. To me, it was easy to configure it fisrt with
> 'alsamixer', but then E took that configuration and 'just work'. No
> pulse audio, no middle layers, E to ALSA.
> 
> My 2 cents =)
> 
> 
> PS: from time to time, I use jackd for more serious things, and
> everything keeps working (when apps like chrome or firefox are not
> locking on alsa)

And there you have stumbled upon one of the other reasons things like
pulse audio exist - no locking, they learn to share.  Just saying.  B-)

In my experience, pulse audio also "just works", with the definition of
"just works" varying to the same degree as yours did.  In other words,
works fine and the problems (which all Linux audio systems have) just
get swept under the carpet coz they don't annoy me too much, and I can
keep claiming "just works" until the cows come home.  They all suck,
you just get to pick which problems you get to pretend don't exist.  If
there was one that did not suck, then we would all be using it, and no
one would be saying "audio system XYZ sucks".

> On Wednesday January 2 2013 07:12:48 Barton escribió:
> > On 01/01/2013 11:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > > On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:02:00 -0800 Barton
> > > <bar...@bcdesignswell.com> said:
> > >
> > >> Hello all,
> > >> Great work on the 0.17 Release!
> > >> My setup:
> > >> e17 from the Arch Linux repo = enlightenment17 0.17.0-1
> > >> with the standard theme.
> > >>
> > >> I managed to get sound output from VLC and XBMC over HDMI.
> > >> On my desktop, however, the Mixer control recognizes my GeForce
> > >> 210 card as HDA NVidia but doesn't populate the controls. I
> > >> suspect this is why Firefox (for example) can't connect to the
> > >> sound driver.
> > >>
> > >> Is there any hope that this is being worked on?
> > >
> > > most of us just use pulseaudio - most, not all, so e's mixer
> > > controls pulse and thus its a pulse problem (sure controls to
> > > tell pulse where to direct audio would be nice) :)
> > >
> > 
> > (my apologies for top posting earlier)
> > Just thought I'd update you all and edit the subject line:
> > Test on Firefox playing a YouTube video fail so I guessed that it
> > was an x86_64 issue and installed all the pulse related lib32 stuff
> > - now all test succeed.
> > Thanks again,
> > Barton
> 
> Wido

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