El 2016-02-19 05:03, Carsten Haitzler escribió: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 11:21:50 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> > said: > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:11:35 -0800 Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr> >> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:59 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:32:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) >> > > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote: >> > >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:24:14 -0800 Cedric BAIL >> > >> <cedric.b...@free.fr> said: >> > >> >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Viacheslav Reutskiy >> > >> > <reutskiy....@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Today I'm glad to announce a new version of Eflete. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cool stuff ! >> > >> > >> > >> > > This release is very hard for Eflete team, because we >> > >> > > remade almost all UX behavior. >> > >> > >> > >> > Yes, I am noticing this look really clean. I would actually whish >> > >> > that if you have time, you could bring some of those improvement >> > >> > back to Elementary theme actually. Quick question, did you use >> > >> > Eflete to actually do the change themself ? :-) >> > >> > >> > >> > > We are remade the navigation by groups, switch between the part >> > >> > > state made more easier. Each group open in the separately tab, >> > >> > > so now you can edit several groups at one time. In the demo >> > >> > > mode possible set the differential content to swallow: >> > >> > > rectangle, image or Elementary widget. >> > >> > > Also removed the warning and error popups - now if action not >> > >> > > available the widget disabled, or highlighted to red. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > And many another changes. So download, install - enjoy it! >> > >> > >> > >> > It is really starting to be a very serious edje editor. Nicely >> > >> > done. I am not a designer myself, so I should get some of my >> > >> > friends to try it, but the main issue they would face I guess is >> > >> > the lack of documentation. Maybe not documentation, but video >> > >> > tutorial showing how to customize your own button/spinner/... As >> > >> > what really eflete lack at this point is public awareness. Anyone >> > >> > working on doing there own Elementary theme, should really play >> > >> > with this tool and packager should really provide it with efl ! >> > >> > >> > >> > Really a cool job ! Congrats to everyone, guys :-) >> > >> >> > >> Actually.. that's not a bad idea... we already have the elm_player >> > >> - why not include video tutorials WITH eflete and just have them >> > >> in a menu/dialog so people can just browse through without dealing >> > >> with youtube ads or whatever. :) if you dont want to put them in >> > >> the git and install tree - just point the player to a url >> > >> guaranteed to always have the video there. (download.e.org?) >> > > >> > > So long as those video tutorials don't require you to copy text out >> > > of them. Why not text tutorials? Takes up waaay less space, and >> > > probably more useful to more people. >> > >> > Eflete is 100% graphical. There is very little text you could type, >> > test it ;-) >> >> OK, so my first sentence is irrelevant. Still doesn't answer the >> question. Videos are harder to make, take up a huge amount of space, >> and are harder to use. I have never seen their appeal for things like >> software tutorials, except that it's the TV and youtube generations, >> reading is too hard. > > that's part of the reason - reading is not done as much. it discourages > people. > more than 3 lines of text? tldr. > > but a video is far more expressive when you want to show HOW to use a > tool - > how to manipulate elements and what the visual results will be. far far > far > more expressive ANd its less work to do a screencast of editing > something and > showing the results than it is to do some screenshots and type it all > up. > > > Actually there are still a few of us who find it a lot easier and way, way faster to read. I find myself passing up more and more on videos as, at a minimum, they take more time than needed to learn something. They are usually badly paced and have the problem of being poorly adapted to different levels. If I just need a more "advanced" or at least less used feature explained better, I have to hunt through to find it or sit through the basics (good time to get a cup of coffee, although it sometimes feels more like having time to not only read War and Peace, but to learn the Russian to be able to do it!). Just my 2 cents.
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