And there's another thought, assuming Mikel's fears are not groundless (and
they rarely are).

You can switch the order of your actions in the Send & Receive All Schedule
so that Receive comes before Send. Just remove the Send action at the top,
then Add Action, and make it Send.

Chances are that the password won't get read in the Receive action before
the Send action takes effect, but perhaps it will. That's also worth a try.

-- 
Paul Berkowitz

> From: Allen Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "Entourage:mac Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:48:38 -0700
> To: Entourage mac Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Relay Access Denied
> 
> Ha! That does explain it. I'd forgotten about the "POP before send" deal.
> Entourage really does "send and receive" in that order, so the "receive"
> would have triggered temporary send authorization; then the second send
> works.
> 
> On or near 9/11/02 8:30 AM, Paul Berkowitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:
> 
>> On 9/11/02 8:21 AM, "Steve Sell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 9/11/02 11:11 AM, "Allen Watson" wrote:
>>> 
>>> [snip]
>>> 
>>>> Now, that's my understanding of where this error comes from. It does not
>>>> explain how you can get the message on one attempt, and then successfully
>>>> send a message moments later using the same method.
>>> 
>>> Some ISPs can do a POP before send authentication.  That is you have to
>>> check your POP account first and then for some period of time after that,
>>> your IP address is considered "authenticated" and you will be allowed to use
>>> the smtp server to relay.  I have our email server at work set up like this
>>> so people who use clients that do not support SMTP AUTH can still use our
>>> smtp server from home.
>> 
>> So it sounds as if Richard does need SMTP AUTH and is getting the benefit of
>> it on the second attempt since the first attempt does check the POP account
>> using the correct password. (I recall that Yahoo once worked like this.)
>> 
>> So if Richard goes to Tools/Accounts/this account, and clicks the long
>> button that says "Advanced Sending Options" just below the SMP Server
>> setting at the very bottom of the window, then checks the "SMTP server
>> requires authentication" box and leaves the radio button at "Same settings
>> as POP" without filling anything else in, he should now be able to send
>> first time without getting that error.
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