on 06/13/2003 06:02 PM, Remo Del Bello at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 6/13/2003 2:50 PM, Scott Haneda deftly typed out: > >> First off, I hear IE is dead, is the Office line going to continue, namely >> Entourage? > > Why would you leap to the conclusion that since IE is no longer going to be > developed that Office must be next? The MacBU is a small development team > and they have to try and focus their attention on the apps that will bring > them the most return on their coding investment. IE is free and brings them > no revenue for the effort put into its development. Why continue to do so > when there are alternatives that are, in some cases, better than their own > browser? It would literally be a money-losing investment for them. > > Besides, Microsoft in its entirety is abandoning stand-alone versions of IE. > Since the MacBU can't integrate IE into the Mac OS, why continue to develop > something that no longer fits into the company's goals? I'm sure IE will > continue to live on in the MSN client, but then it will become software that > will bring in income.
Ehm, it was a question, I leaped to no conclusions, I specifically asked "is the Office line going to continue", if I had jumped to a conclusion, I would have assumed Office and Entourage were dead, and just started complaining about it :-) > >> My current list of bugs, and hopefully you all can tell me how to deal with >> them. > > These aren't bugs, by the way (except for the first one). Well, I disagree, the delete issue is a bug certainly, the rest were just quests for people to help me perhaps find a solution. > >> 1) First priority is that Entourage will overwrite your IE preferences, this >> is horrible, when can we expect a fix on this, it has been publicly >> discussed for a long time now. > > Aw, come on... This isn't "horrible." How often do you have to change your > IE prefs? Just quit both apps, launch IE, set prefs, quit IE. Or, better > yet, start using another browser... Well, you must not be a developer, say I am working on 50 websites, all 5o have secure entry pages, and I tell it to remember my username and password, this gets lost all the time, this is a pain. Then, there are the cookie issues, so I develop a session management system that relies on cookies, and I spend hours debugging my code cause I am always being booted out of the secure areas of a site, only to discover the cookies are getting lost and overwritten. Like I said before, for browsing I will use Safari, but it lacks the features I need to use for development testing. I can live with the prefs not holding, its the cookies and the remembering of http auth that is driving me nuts. As for using another broweser, I have tried them all, and they all are way worse off the Explorer, flat out slow, wont post form data on return, etc etc. >> 2) I get a lot of email, in the morning, when I check email, Entourage must >> fetch all my email before the app is responsive enough to use, in OS 9 I was >> able to use the app just fine, even as thousands of emails were pouring in. > > I'm not terribly enthused about Entourage's responsiveness either, but I > consider it usable (Even when downloading a couple hundred messages). I just > wish it could sync offline actions (as well as attachment encoding) in the > background. My experience is not the same, perhaps it is because my mailserver is on the same network as me, so I pull them down at 100Mbits, and that just overloads Entourage, whereas on a slower connection, it would free up more time for Entourage to allow me to even click on a message. > >> 3) Say you have a folder of unread mail, in OS 9 Entourage, I could select >> one of them, and it would go unbold, and I could press the up arrow, and >> scroll past them, and they would all be marked as "Read", now the program >> can not keep up with this, and you have to very slowly select one, wait, >> move on to the next, rinse, and repeat. > > Have you tried setting: > > Entourage -> Mail & News Preferences... -> Read -> Mark message as read > after displaying for n seconds > > To "0"? Does that help? Yes, this makes no difference at all, again, this is a minor minor annoyance, and I was really only looking to achieve a few things, first confirmation that it happens to other people, that way I can know if it is my settings or config, and second, to make the MBU aware of this in case no one else has reported it, I was trying to help, despite how my message may have been interpreted. > >> 4) deleting messages takes 2 clicks after the first message is deleted. >> Given a set of messages in a folder, click on one, click the delete icon, >> and it will be deleted, and the next message rolls into selected place, >> click the delete/trach icon, and it depresses, like it is trying to delete, >> but no message is deleted, you have to click again, and you have to do this >> for the rest of the messages you want to delete. > > I haven't noticed this behavior. But then again, if I'm going to be deleting > messages in succession, I generally select multiple messages and press the > delete button once (works much faster this way). Well, again, it is a bug IMHO, you can see the movie I linked and what I am talking about, can you confirm that this happens? I am curious if it is me or something about my settings. > >> 5) Just my opinion on this one, but the "On My Computer", can there be a >> pref to make that go away, I need the space, and it serves me no purpose. > > Can't be done away with entirely, but you can click the disclosure triangle > next to it and collapse it to just "On My Computer". It doesn't really take > up enough room to gripe about then, IMHO. > >> 6) Performance in general compared to OS 9 has a lot to be desired. > > I agree with you here, but that is true of pretty much all apps in X. It's > the pros/cons of multitasking. I'm sure the current performance of Entourage > could be improved, though. I can live with this, I know in time all the apps will speed up, but again, unless we all share these experiences, I don�t see how anyone will now we care to have them fixed. > >> 7) Command-M your main window, and you have no way to get it back out of the >> dock other than clicking on it in the doc, I would think that if I move a >> application that can only have one window to the dock, bringing the >> application back to the foreground should bring its window back as well. > > Switch to Entourage and Cmd-1 to bring the "Mail" window back out of the > Dock. Thanks! That helps me out, never knew about the cmd-1 > >> When might we see a update, and is there some sort of beta teststers team, >> or should I be worried and go find a new email program, since this one is >> going to be EOL'd soon as well? > > The MacBU has promised an update to Entourage this summer which will bring > Exchange compatibility to Entourage (and probably a bug fix or two). But if > you have such little confidence in the software's development, then maybe > you might be better served with another email client. I don�t know where you get that I have such little confidence, perhaps you can re-read my OP or explain to me what gave you that impression so I can word my emails more appropriately, and please do not take this as a stab at you, I am really bummed that my efforts to make MBU aware of problems, or to find solutions to my problems is being interpreted as a lack of confidence. I have been here since Claris Emailer, I am not going anywhere unless I have to :-) Hell, I tried to buy Emailer off Apple a while ago, and move forward with it, that was a fun one :-) So in summation, can someone please confirm the clicking delete does not delete unless you pound on it issue. Sorry if my verbiage threw anyone of, not my intention at all. ------------------------------------------------------------- Scott Haneda Tel: 415.898.2602 http://www.newgeo.com Fax: 313.557.5052 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Novato, CA U.S.A. -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/>
