On or about 12-06-03 11:17 PM, Dan Warne wrote:

> on 7/12/03 2:53 PM, Gary Lists at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> I have safely and joyously deleted all incoming HTML email for years --
>> thanks to Entourage's rules. (Well, honestly, from mail lists any HTML is
>> stripped by rule+script, so I do get a plain Jane version from the few
>> weirdos who send HTML mail to mailing lists.)
> 
> Really? I too delete all HTML email using that lovely Entourage rule (only
> recently have spammers wised up to the fact that plain text mail is more
> likely to get through).
> 
> How do you do that stripping of HTML from email that you -do- want to read?

I use 'Remove HTML' by Allen Watson. Mine is the E2K1 version, located here:

<http://homepage.mac.com/allen_a_watson/.cv/allen_a_watson/Public/Scripts/En
tourage%20Scripts/Edit%20Text/Remove%20HTML.sit-link.sit>

There is not a same-named version in the EX folder at Allen's site, but I do
see a script named 'Strip HTML', which likely is the X equivalent.  That is
here:

<http://homepage.mac.com/allen_a_watson/.cv/allen_a_watson/Public/Scripts/En
tourage%20v%20X/Strip%20HTML%5CcomH.bin-link.bin>

My version dates back to OE5, and I've added a few this-its and whose-its
(just a few), and I've also used improved knowledge with spam-trap rules
(offered in this list, mostly...I have a set called 'Mickey S' from hints
he's made me aware of).

> whereas legitimate email clients always
> have a plain text equivalent of the HTML
> for recipients who can't read the HTML.

Well, perhaps not _always_.   Once again I refer to my lovable and wonderful
and clueless aunties who use "whatever it has when you turn it on" (read:
MSWin ;), which usually means they couldn't tell a preference pane from a
gas pain.  They just think that "email" has buttons marked [B] [I] [U] and
you can use any (and as many) crazy fonts as you want and that's that.  I
have had to ask and re-ask and then beg some of them to make slight changes
to this check box or that.

It's also often that legitimate mail from friends, either traveling or
otherwise PC-less, who use Hotmail (or my Yahooligan-niece) and the
preferences there can also be set to include a text-only version, but I
think that is an opt-in preference rather than an opt-out in both cases.
Which makes sense, of course, because it's web based and because it's an ad
medium.

But, I do take your meaning Dan (and agree) that _most_ habitual senders of
HTML mail, for whatever reason, tend also to be either aware enough or
approachable enough to get a text-only version tacked on.

> Unfortunately I don't -think- the above level of intelligence can be used in
> a rule in Entourage (though I admit I haven't looked into it very deeply at
> all - perhaps a custom header filter might work).

If you mean the intelligence of stripping HTML, then it can -- at least to
the degree that current spamology allows, or as fast as your message source
parsing code can be.  There are, admittedly, a few times when a I get a list
message that is displayed in Comic Sans at a size that must be 6 points.

There are other cases (rare) when I get a "legitimate" message (i.e., known
source) that gets "stripped" (does not render HTML) but _does_ display the
HT markup itself.  I have not had enough problem to worry whether it's a
fluked rule or combination of header/encoding/etc that keeps the AppleScript
and Entourage from getting it exactly right.

The one area where I found I had to strategize with rules and lists is when
to check "Do not apply rules to list messages" in the Mailing List Manager
(MLM) for a particular list.  For some lists I keep that checked, for some I
don't.

> Cheers
> Dan

As well,
--
Gary


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