Steve, That is fantastically helpful. I just read that the name "arrow-wood" derives from the Native American use of the were straight branches for arrows. Makes sense!
Okay. next: Sassafras albidium? Have any of those? You're the best! Jenny On Apr 4, 3:34 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: > Jenny- > > Yes, that's the branch we were discussing--behind the birch branch. River > birch does not have the wintergreen aroma that cherry birch has(yellow birch > does, though). > > Arrow-wood viburnum, along with maple-leaf viburnum, are the commonest > species in my area. Arrow-wood is best ID'd by its habit and > habitat---typically 8'-10' tall, somewhat wider, dense multiple stems with > the older ones arching and twiggy, the younger ones very straight and > relatively unbranched, and usually found in poorly drained areas, in sun or > shade. I've attached some photos from my back yard. > > Steve > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 1:53 PM, JennyNYC <[email protected]> wrote: > > > HI, > > > Which tree are we talking about? The one behind your river birch > > fallen branch? Amazing. > > > With the hophornbeam - euro or amer./birch. I'll have to get to see > > the buds and scratch the twigs (do river birch twigs have a fragrance > > like b. lenta?) > > > Need some help with arrowood id. Do you have any? I wonder if we have > > any amelanchier in NYC forests. Too many species here!!! I think I > > will have a nervous breakdown when I finally go to the Appalachians. > > > Jenny > > > On Apr 4, 12:59 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Will- > > > > Yes, it could be a mazzard also--I think both P. padus and avium are > > > naturalized in my area. > > > > Steve > > > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Will Blozan <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > > > Prunus avium? > > > > > Will F. Blozan > > > > > President, Eastern Native Tree Society > > > > > President, Appalachian Arborists, Inc. > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > *On > > > > Behalf Of *Steve Galehouse > > > > *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2009 4:35 PM > > > > *To:* [email protected] > > > > *Subject:* [ENTS] Re: Tree ID Help > > > > > Jenny- > > > > > The new photos are not river birch; probably cherry birch as you > > suggest, > > > > but could also be of European alder. I've attached a photo of cherry > > birch > > > > taken locally, and will go get a photo of river birch for you to > > compare. > > > > > Steve > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, JennyNYC <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Steve, > > > > > You're way ahead of me with branching patterns, but I don't know if > > > > Betula nigra bark would flake in that way. Wouldn't you be able to see > > > > a trace of the horizontal lenticels? Also, the tree may not be growing > > > > straight because of soil erosion. It's on a bit of an incline - which > > > > I didn't show very well since I didn't get the base of the trunk. > > > > > I added 3 pictures of the guy next door which I think is a big (to my > > > > inexperienced eyes!) Betula lenta. Can you tell from the photo? It > > > > could certainly be a river birch, though. > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp?feat=directlink > > > > > Jenny > > > > > On Apr 3, 3:44 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Jenny- > > > > > > After looking at your other photos more carefully--not focusing on > > the > > > > > bark--I think the tree in your photo is a river birch, Betula nigra. > > The > > > > > reasons I think it's not a hophornbeam are: > > > > > > 1-The branch attachment to the trunk. The tree in your photos > > displays > > > > sort > > > > > of a "saddle" at the point of attachment, which is a characteristic > > of > > > > > birches but not of Ostrya. Compare the attached photo to your photo > > #4. > > > > > > 2-Ostrya tends to be very vertical, straight, and single-stemmed; the > > > > > general habit of your tree is arching and leaning, with a couple of > > main > > > > > stems. > > > > > > Both species are found in similar habitats where native. River birch > > > > > approaches its northern native limit in the NYC area(as it does here > > in > > > > NE > > > > > Ohio), and the northern river birches look very different from the > > > > popular > > > > > cultivars such as Heritage birch and Dura-heat birch, both of which > > have > > > > > much lighter and more exfoliating bark. Either species can retain a > > few > > > > > shriveled leaves over the winter. > > > > > > Steve > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 8:48 AM, JennyNYC <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks! It sounds unanimous. Please send on any pix of hophornbeam. > > > > > > Looking forward to one from Cleveland, Steve. > > > > > > > Jenny. > > > > > > > On Apr 3, 8:05 am, William Morse <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > i agree as well. those 'not typical' traits you've pointed out > > are > > > > all > > > > > > > still within the variation found in the species. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Will Fell <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Looks like a hop-hornbeam to me also. I've seen a some with > > flaky > > > > bark > > > > > > > > and some with tighter bark, but the leaves hanging on is not > > > > unusual > > > > > > > > for it. > > > > > > > > > On Apr 2, 11:29 pm, Steve Galehouse <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Jenny- > > > > > > > > >> It looks sort of like hop-hornbeam, but not typical for the > > way it > > > > > > looks in > > > > > > > >> my area--the smaller trunk is more similar to what I've seen, > > the > > > > > > larger > > > > > > > >> more "flaky" (but hey, you're in NYC)! Tomorrow I'll take a > > pic > > > > and > > > > > > send on > > > > > > > >> to you what i think is typical(for Cleveland). > > > > > > > > >> Steve > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:13 PM, JennyNYC < > > [email protected] > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > ENTS, > > > > > > > > >> > Can you help me identify this tree? I am thinking it's a > > > > hophornbeam > > > > > > > >> > (Ostrya virginiana), but do their leaves cling in winter? > > It's > > > > > > > >> > growing just above the Bronx River flood plain. I couldn't > > get a > > > > > > close > > > > > > > >> > look at the buds. > > > > >http://picasaweb.google.com/JennifDudley/TreeIDHelp?feat=directlink > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks! > > > > > > > >> > Jenny- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Ostrya branching habit.jpg > > > > > 189KViewDownload > > > > Arrow-wood viburnum habit.jpg > 336KViewDownload > > Arrow-wood viburnum habit detail.jpg > 298KViewDownload > > Arrow-wood viburnum buds.jpg > 118KViewDownload --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Eastern Native Tree Society http://www.nativetreesociety.org Send email to [email protected] Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/entstrees?hl=en To unsubscribe send email to [email protected] -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
