ops! I posted the resonse to this thread above, check it out. Also, have a bit of redemption, courtesy of Wagner...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoSLD1sCyfc Richard Wagner - Tannhauser - Pilgrim's Chorus In the opera, Tannhauser is about to submit once again to the temptations of Venus despite needing to conform to Christianity in order to satisy his lover Elizabeth, who has died while he was on pilgrimage to Rome. On the verge, a band of Pilgrim's arrives carrying the staff of the Pope, which miraculously bloomed because of the curse upon poor Tannhauser that he could not be redeemed any more than the staff could blossom. God played a joke on the Pope at the request of Elizabeth, who died of longing for her precious true love's return. Or so the story goes as I recall. Anyhow Tannhauser drops dead when he sees the staff and the Christians are happy at having another bloody miracle... Lonnie Courtney Clay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/qOFNzr6M9DgJ. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.