So ha so ha so ha, watch your own karma Awori, I know for a fact I am probably a lot cleaner than yours is. You bought into a negative system, I did not, humility is utmost in Buddhism and your lack of respect is noted.
From: awori achoka Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:45 PM To: epistemology@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [epistemology 12154] Re: actual epistemology Lonnie your advice is excellent! On Jun 16, 2011 3:40 PM, "Lonnie Clay" <claylon...@comcast.net> wrote: > You live and breathe right? Take ten deep breaths. Muster your patience and > ask your conscience what is wrong with your approach to life. For example, > the shouted call below for "support and protection" is revealing. Are you > famished and dying of hunger? Are you dying of thirst? Are your lungs > clogged up with so much phlegm that you cannot breath? Are you dying of heat > prostration or is your skin frozen with cold? Count your blessings before > you count your losses. Life support operational? Is there a knife at your > throat, or a gun in your belly? You complain of eczema, is that so painful > as to be life threatening? For example my sister has Fibromyalgia and > suffers constant intense pain throughout her body... > > Looking back over the preceding paragraph, it may appear that I am > unsympathetic and callous. That is not true. I am taking the time to > seriously think of how I can be of help when I am "mentally insane" and live > on $985 per month of disability pension, being one year's income in debt. > You are welcome to send me an email at lonniecourtneyc...@gmail.com or to > visit at 3395 Harrell Road Arlington TN U.S.A at any time for in person > advice. It seems to me that what you need most is reassurance that life has > meaning, though it may be an impossibly tangled snarl of thread. Life DOES > have meaning, primarily as a training ground for your soul in dealing with > limited senses, mental resources, and physical resources in a "hard" > environment. If it was going to be easy, then there would not be ANY point > to playing the game, now would there? Check your score right now. How many > assets physically accumulated, apparently little, who cares. How far have > you come mentally since that first outraged scream of infancy at birth when > you discovered that you had to breathe for a living? I estimate quite far > according to your posts which I have read. How much influence has there been > on the others living about you and what environmental impact have you made, > both positive and negative? > > Apparently you are not blind, or retarded, or crippled without hands since > you are using a computer. How well have you utilized your bonuses and > overcome your handicaps from birth. For example, my parents were from > farming families, my dad never earned more than minimum wage until I was in > high school, my mother had to care for six children, of which I am the > youngest, the family was always neck deep in debt to such an extent that > doctor visits were made only for life threatening conditions blah blah blah. > But I struggled out of the pit to graduate Summa Cum Laude in Electrical > Engineering in 1979, supported the rest of the family for 11 years then > mooched off of my brother for the past 20. Mentioning my brother, who is one > year older than me, he flunked out of the same engineering school I attended > (with my money paying his bills), got a job through a draftsman's training > program (which I helped arrange), worked his way into CAD designing, from > there into electrical designing, and is now a senior electrical designer at > a Fortune 500 chemical company and considered essential personnel to the > extent that last year he was the LAST designer they had left after laying > off the rest. Things are better now and he leads the pack. > > "Let your light shine forth" and stop cursing the darkness SS, because it > only makes the ghosts laugh. Laugh at THEM and defy this darkness which > seems to have you in a slump. Stop listening to the damn vampire doctors! > Has a doctor solved your problems yet? NO, the occasional SYMPTOM of a > problem may have disappeared, but your fundamental problem, as with so many > of the vast majority of people is that you never learned proper control of > your body. Get a GRIP on it and activate your immune system. Eat nutritious > foods and stop poisoning your body with drugs, including those prescribed by > the witch doctor. Physical symptoms are a warning sign that you are losing > your grip. Once again, get a grip on your body! Look UP out of the pit, find > handholds, and claw your way to higher ground. If you see somebody else in > trouble worse than yours, render assistance and improve your karma, as I > just did with you. You'll feel better about yourself, self esteem bolsters > confidence, self confidence yields inspiration, and inspiration yields > solutions. > > There there now, feel better? > > Lonnie Courtney Clay > > > > On Thursday, June 16, 2011 1:09:48 AM UTC-7, Serenity Smiles wrote: >> >> Dear Lonnie, that is so sweet and yes I wish I could enjoy such things >> as visiting Howletts Zoo etc but, I am not going to get hurt again without >> reliable support, my hands hurt because of inherited eczema and although the >> doctor said they would get better they do not. I need “human contact” that >> I can have faith in. This does not exist for me so achieving such ambitions >> are pointless at the moment. I need SUPPORT AND PROTECTION. >> >> *From:* Lonnie Clay >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:55 AM >> *To:* episte...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [epistemology 12150] Re: actual epistemology >> >> Dear SS! Do not fret over the dead past, but set your mind upon the road >> ahead, proceeding apace toward your destiny with alert senses and an >> enquiring mind. From your current surroundings follow a pathway toward >> enlightenment not by just reading the words of others or breaking new ground >> yourself, but through a combination of those strategies. Avoid the Scylla >> and Charybdis traps of blind logic and unthinking superstition. Retain a >> sense of optimism and refresh yourself frequently with pure entertainment >> such as visiting a zoo or going to an amusement park. The denizens of those >> two locales will give you fresh perspectives. Don't ignore "facts", but >> don't assume that the dogmatic worldview of those who lead a humdrum >> existence is valid. Keep in mind that at one time the world was gripped by >> ignorance so profound that Galileo Galilei was tried for the equivalent of >> crimes against humanity today simply for believing that the Earth was not >> the center about which the Universe revolved. The dogmas of science today >> will be as laughably contemptible as the Copernican worldview within a few >> hundred years. Think about how your mind works, as I have discussed >> elsewhere and above all, "Do as you please." >> >> Lonnie Courtney Clay >> >> On Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:26:07 AM UTC-7, Serenity Smiles wrote: >>> >>> Mahayanin is the Tibetan side of Buddhism, gelug being the school I took >>> refuge with, in or around 1995. This was through the guy Walker who >>> steered >>> me into this path by telling me my mind thought processes were best suited >>> >>> to Mahayanin and he also felt that this was the best philosophy he had >>> ever >>> come across in his travels of the silk road, he too died in unknown >>> circumstances I never saw the body so I leave that to emptiness. Being >>> Buddhist we "dance with the dead" to recover their "lives". My life has >>> been shadowed by musicians ever since David Bowie became famous, (one of >>> the >>> few people my father used to drive as a private taxi driver, the infamous >>> Max Moseley another), or that was when I first started to realise. Just >>> who >>> or how "I" was set up is still a mystery to me. I made Liberace as a >>> possibilty about twenty years ago now, but this is when it got "heavy" for >>> >>> me whether as I said because my "suitability" as a radical, green liberal >>> did not suit the conservative fascist elitist elements or even the Masters >>> >>> because I was not strong enough mentally to withstand the secret practises >>> >>> is still debatable. But have never been able to "escape" the "box" or >>> realising "my life" in advertising and now in programmes (my contribution >>> >>> from when I signed into this group). >>> >>> Because my centre is not exactly a "safe" journey for me. I decided to >>> use >>> the epistemological group as a "substitute". I had been working in the >>> library at my centre but too many people were coming in, not to practise >>> but >>> to hassle me and I was suspecting hacks. By now my mind had elevated >>> through study, practise and meditation that my visualisations had started, >>> >>> seeing Buddhas and other visuals, and creating my own. Like synesthesia >>> not >>> conceptualised "just arriving from a distance at first until now they just >>> >>> appear randomly. That was when I was "brain mapped" I guess. I now >>> experience myself as a vehicle for those to "see" through my eyes and also >>> >>> receive increased phenomena, bubbles of deities like the madonna and >>> others >>> who have passed over and the scientists transmit responses or "things" via >>> >>> media hardware, tv's, supermarket sound systems. I still conform strictly >>> >>> with Buddha's ethics and the path. Now the musicians in America are able >>> to >>> decode and I can advise or translate via here who or what, when and >>> where. >>> Its really mundane now, I just wish for a "better" life than mooching in >>> depression of having a brain that is not put to better use. >>> >>> What I see is life in duality and everything in emptiness. >>> >>> I did not want my daughter to "suffer" like I have. myself being the third >>> >>> generation I guess of being shadowed and did not want her going into the >>> "box" too so, when this happened, I just had to expose myself to you guys >>> although, knowing this to be a great age of hacking etc I do not know what >>> >>> source takes the info as I deliberately left my laptop at my centre >>> overnight. But like I said I am still in the "dark" really, not really >>> sure >>> what to do exactly but doing nothing seems to be the safest option and >>> helping out if I can those who need if I am capable as and when it arises. >>> I >>> have been to my centre but Geshe la is not there its still all a big >>> secret >>> for me. I get upset or frustrated because I cannot answer fundamental >>> questions like who my family is, both sides kept hidden and a family who >>> refuse to communicate with me. But the only common link being the >>> military. >>> Canadian (lovers of mother and grandmother) so I am lead to believe and an >>> >>> English one on my part, all "love rats" leaving illegitimate children, >>> which >>> has always made me feel that this has been the British and American >>> response >>> to Hitler's ambition "does Buddhism work". The list of names of people in >>> >>> my life who taught me or were professionally involved are deliberately >>> uncanny for writing things in a karmically ethical way, like Miss Read, >>> Ring, Kill, Savage etc. hardly rocket science. So in a nutshell lol, >>> there >>> you go. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nominal9 >>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 4:03 PM >>> To: Epistemology >>> Subject: [epistemology 12131] Re: actual epistemology >>> >>> You appear to be an ethically "good" and intellectually "sound" >>> person, to me... Serenity ....I see the problem being that you and I >>> have different frames of reference in terms of knowledge and >>> experience.... maybe if "we" tried to talk "simply"... or in a way to >>> actually speak of the ideas and things under discussion... not "by >>> substitution".... to other people, as in writers.... or if reference >>> to writers makes the point.... then explain what the writer said and >>> what you think it means.... some around here know a lot of "heavy" >>> writers, for example.....and others around here know a lot of very >>> specified technical or "professional" knowledge.... >>> Walker?..... who is he or she? >>> Mahayanin?..... specifically what did these others say that you find >>> useful to you and you want to corroborate and pass on to the rest of >>> us? >>> >>> On Jun 9, 1:09 pm, "Serenity Smiles" <gentl...@hotmail.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> > Also Walker was influential in the fact that he was honest in providng >>> me >>> > the correct information and the knowledge of the path to follow - >>> > Mahayanin - the opposite is my daughter's father who never supported and >>> > evaded and was the biggest player I have ever known. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: archytas >>> > Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:38 PM >>> > To: Epistemology >>> > Subject: [epistemology 12123] Re: actual epistemology >>> > >>> > hi nom - much the same feelings here - I've been travelling a lot and >>> > returned to his absence. >>> > >>> > On Jun 8, 12:25 am, nominal9 <nom...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > > Hi Archytas... allow me to change the subject just to ask a "social" >>> > > question....Where, Georges Metanomski?.... is he okay?.... I had some >>> > > disagreements with the codger.... but I'm still a bit fond of the >>> > > "coot".... >>> > >>> > > On Jun 6, 7:09 pm, archytas <nwt...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > > Those who know me know I can't be arsed crossing 'ts' on the bums of >>> > > > angels counted on pin heads. There is a subject 'epistemology' >>> though >>> > > > Richard Rorty once said it arose because of a mistake in Locke. The >>> > > > most sense I've made of it is that we generally favour evidence >>> ahead >>> > > > of theory, and history shows us the evidence was there before our >>> > > > theory. Relativity is a good example and my view of this is >>> empirical >>> > > > - Einstein valued both Maxwell's theorizing and the work of good >>> > > > experimenters. He made sense of both instead of taking sides. His >>> > > > kinematics could underpin what seemed contradictions., >>> > >>> > > > Does anyone remember Pyrroh? Given that argument leads in many >>> > > > directions we need a 'state of mind' to appreciate what is likely to >>> > > > be the best? Or was it Phyrro - fuck the spelling. >>> > >>> > > > We probably have to write the term "evidence" like this - we know it >>> > > > turns in theoretical assumptions. But isn't time involved in this? >>> > > > And that point when we can manipulate what we'd been imagining? >>> > > > John Reed and Socratus can write almost impeccable argument at times >>> - >>> > > > Carlos can really make me think both that I don't get it AND there >>> is >>> > > > nothing to get - Sam brings back sanity with a video of scientists >>> > > > being crude (should have been at some of our old UMIST parties Sam). >>> > > > The subject is about how the fuck we know, what the fuck we know >>> which >>> > > > leads to the problem of the criterion of whether the fuck we knew >>> what >>> > > > or how first (Sextus Empiricus). We could give up there if we >>> didn't >>> > > > know about evolution. We know from that that hen and egg problems >>> are >>> > > > surmountable. >>> > >>> > > > Most of us know religion is bullshit control - but so did Plato. >>> The >>> > > > world has no lack of lackwits to believe its credulous tales. Time >>> is >>> > > > on clocks for most of them. My epistemological question is this - >>> > > > what do we know about knowing they don't? What is our procedural >>> > > > epistemology - if we don't have one, are we just smug not-quite so >>> > > > lackwits? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> > "Epistemology" group. >>> > To post to this group, send email to epis...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > epistemology...@googlegroups.com. >>> > For more options, visit this group >>> > athttp://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Epistemology" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to epis...@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> epistemology...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/DlU5eSW7xvAJ. >> To post to this group, send email to episte...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> epistemology...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/nejZGBI0zJQJ. > To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > mailto:epistemology%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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