Yes einseele you make a good point. The label or address if you prefer is not the thing. Others here have made similar observations in the context of philosophical viewpoints regarding what awareness perceives as opposed to what exists. I feel sufficiently inspired this morning to add a penny of my thoughts to what I suspect is going to be a long thread.
Whence come original thoughts, new ideas, intuitive leaps? Do they spring forth from nothingness, being spontaneously created by a critical mass of associations? I think that it was Thomas Edison who said "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration." In other words, inventing something is easier said than done. Some say that inspiration comes from GOD. But that just shifts the burden to higher ground, because where then does GOD get the raw material for inspiration? Perhaps someone is a master chef, taking ingredients plucked from the garden or bought at a store and preparing them into a tasty concoction which gives us food for thought. But once again, that begs the question. Whence come the seeds which grow into the ingredients? Where does the chef live, what does that KITCHEN look like, what are the kitchen implements, who manufactured them? Let's backtrack a bit trying to get at the roots of thinking. "Information alters consciousness." At conception we humans are single cell lifeforms created by the cooperation of an egg with an invading sperm cell. Their DNA strands split apart then fuse together to form a new instructional sequence for a hardware specification which has been proven as robust in its fault tolerance, adaptive in its processing, heterogenous in its expansion, and self limiting in its overall design. So eventually you obtain from that cell a human body which contains nervous, circulatory, respiratory, skeletal, digestive, immune, muscular, and other systems each of which has subsystem structures composed of cells. At the core of every cell is a DNA strand which is a variant of the combined DNA at conception. A cell is itself a complex and fascinating package in the microscopic domain. I am a software engineer rather than a biologist, so I will butt out of that topic before I make a silly blunder. They say that self awareness begins in the womb with sensations of pressure, specifically the pulsing of the mother's heartbeat and sensations of warmth. Later on once the other glands have developed come sound etc. But has the fetus learned anything before leaving the womb? In most cases, there is a definite yes, because one of the things which uncomfortable fetuses do is kick out to let mother know that baby is uncomfortable. Baby will kick more often if mother makes baby comfortable in response to kicking. So there you have it, without instruction in higher institutions of learning even FETUSES understand feedback control theory to a certain extent! LOL LOL LOL! Encoded in that DNA strand are the instructions for self assembling a complete baby, provided that nutrients are available to the cells of the fetus in the womb. Implicit in the design of nerve cells is the ability to communicate, store information, and *get this* correlate data in interaction with other cells through threshold triggering of nerve impulses. A nerve cell is a networked computer wrapped in foil. It has an identity depending upon its location in the body, a state vector of biological molecules and electrical energy, and a transitional rule subsystem which based upon DNA interprets the cell's state in relation to stimuli to determine what the next state will be. This post is getting to be a bit long, so the discussion will be continued in the next post, upcoming. Lonnie Courtney Clay On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:13:14 AM UTC-7, einseele wrote: > > Information technology is a good tool to point an address concept that > once in a while I use to bother all of you :-) > If we for instance take the string: 'Hello world' and want to express > it through a binary code, (this is not trying to discuss IT but > linguistics), we get then the following number: > > 0100100001100101011011000110110001101111001000000111011101101111011100100110110001100100 > > > > If you want it into octal is: > > 110145154154157040167157162154144 > > And there you go > > If you want to play with this, like trying your name or other options > there are a bunch of sites which you can visit, like: > > http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1PldXx/nickciske.com/tools/binary.php > > The question is, which is the difference under the information point > of view between > > Hello world > 0100100001100101011011000110110001101111001000000111011101101111011100100110110001100100 > > > or > 110145154154157040167157162154144 > > The answer is none > > All three (and many other) point to the same address, using a > different mean > > All three are just the pointers, and the address is just one. > > Finally, where is that information (I equal here information = > address) > > Information can only be pointed, and will be always absent. Knowledge > and information shares this part > > IMHO this is a spatial concept were pointers has of course mass, > contrary to information which can only live in the empty part of the > equation. > > This is not new of course, it is just the same old battle in > epistemology but under a linguistic point of view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/2uGB35c0yMUJ. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
