Thanks Lonnie, great reading. On Jul 26, 2011 6:19 PM, "Lonnie Clay" <claylon...@comcast.net> wrote: > Yes einseele you make a good point. The label or address if you prefer is > not the thing. Others here have made similar observations in the context of > philosophical viewpoints regarding what awareness perceives as opposed to > what exists. I feel sufficiently inspired this morning to add a penny of my > thoughts to what I suspect is going to be a long thread. > > Whence come original thoughts, new ideas, intuitive leaps? Do they spring > forth from nothingness, being spontaneously created by a critical mass of > associations? I think that it was Thomas Edison who said "Genius is 1% > inspiration and 99% perspiration." In other words, inventing something is > easier said than done. Some say that inspiration comes from GOD. But that > just shifts the burden to higher ground, because where then does GOD get the > raw material for inspiration? > > Perhaps someone is a master chef, taking ingredients plucked from the garden > or bought at a store and preparing them into a tasty concoction which gives > us food for thought. But once again, that begs the question. Whence come the > seeds which grow into the ingredients? Where does the chef live, what does
> that KITCHEN look like, what are the kitchen implements, who manufactured > them? > > Let's backtrack a bit trying to get at the roots of thinking. "Information > alters consciousness." At conception we humans are single cell lifeforms > created by the cooperation of an egg with an invading sperm cell. Their DNA > strands split apart then fuse together to form a new instructional sequence > for a hardware specification which has been proven as robust in its fault > tolerance, adaptive in its processing, heterogenous in its expansion, and > self limiting in its overall design. So eventually you obtain from that cell > a human body which contains nervous, circulatory, respiratory, skeletal, > digestive, immune, muscular, and other systems each of which has subsystem > structures composed of cells. At the core of every cell is a DNA strand > which is a variant of the combined DNA at conception. A cell is itself a > complex and fascinating package in the microscopic domain. I am a software > engineer rather than a biologist, so I will butt out of that topic before I > make a silly blunder. > > They say that self awareness begins in the womb with sensations of pressure, > specifically the pulsing of the mother's heartbeat and sensations of warmth. > Later on once the other glands have developed come sound etc. But has the > fetus learned anything before leaving the womb? In most cases, there is a > definite yes, because one of the things which uncomfortable fetuses do is > kick out to let mother know that baby is uncomfortable. Baby will kick more > often if mother makes baby comfortable in response to kicking. So there you > have it, without instruction in higher institutions of learning even FETUSES > understand feedback control theory to a certain extent! LOL LOL LOL! > > Encoded in that DNA strand are the instructions for self assembling a > complete baby, provided that nutrients are available to the cells of the > fetus in the womb. Implicit in the design of nerve cells is the ability to > communicate, store information, and *get this* correlate data in interaction > with other cells through threshold triggering of nerve impulses. A nerve > cell is a networked computer wrapped in foil. It has an identity depending > upon its location in the body, a state vector of biological molecules and > electrical energy, and a transitional rule subsystem which based upon DNA > interprets the cell's state in relation to stimuli to determine what the > next state will be. > > This post is getting to be a bit long, so the discussion will be continued > in the next post, upcoming. > > Lonnie Courtney Clay > > On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:13:14 AM UTC-7, einseele wrote: >> >> Information technology is a good tool to point an address concept that >> once in a while I use to bother all of you :-) >> If we for instance take the string: 'Hello world' and want to express >> it through a binary code, (this is not trying to discuss IT but >> linguistics), we get then the following number: >> >> 0100100001100101011011000110110001101111001000000111011101101111011100100110110001100100 >> >> >> If you want it into octal is: >> >> 110145154154157040167157162154144 >> >> And there you go >> >> If you want to play with this, like trying your name or other options >> there are a bunch of sites which you can visit, like: >> >> http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1PldXx/nickciske.com/tools/binary.php >> >> The question is, which is the difference under the information point >> of view between >> >> Hello world >> 0100100001100101011011000110110001101111001000000111011101101111011100100110110001100100 >> >> or >> 110145154154157040167157162154144 >> >> The answer is none >> >> All three (and many other) point to the same address, using a >> different mean >> >> All three are just the pointers, and the address is just one. >> >> Finally, where is that information (I equal here information = >> address) >> >> Information can only be pointed, and will be always absent. Knowledge >> and information shares this part >> >> IMHO this is a spatial concept were pointers has of course mass, >> contrary to information which can only live in the empty part of the >> equation. >> >> This is not new of course, it is just the same old battle in >> epistemology but under a linguistic point of view >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/epistemology/-/2uGB35c0yMUJ. > To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. 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