That's a good analogy. Men and women are subjects /mind and objects/ bodies.
The same about Photon. ============… On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote: > That's a false analogy, since "people" are not considered physical > objects. Men and women are subjects. The mind is a subject. Feelings are > subjects. Bodies are objects. > > "A Man can only be an object from the perspective of a second Man." > > A human body can only be an object from the perspective of another (or the > parts of the same) body. True. > > " > > We cannot call Man a ‘’Man’’ unless he acts > > and act is a phenomenon within visual sensitivity." > > That's not only a false analogy of what I said, it is a pretty desperate > straw man. Illumination is a visual phenomenon, but 'action' is not. If you > wanted to make a legitimate analogy, you could say "We cannot call > something a human body unless it feels, look, sounds, smells, behaves like > a human body, and these qualities are phenomena within the scope of > multiple human sensitivities'. Photons do not smell like anything, their > effects are visual or thermal. Light does not refer to the thermal > properties of photons, but to the visual effects which we observe through > material instruments. > > "There can be no Man and no Woman without first having > > pre-quantitative capacities for sensing and making sense." > > This is true, so I have no problem agreeing with it. > > "People are abstractions - the reality is sensory-motor participation" > > People are sensory-motor participants already so they are concrete, but > photons are not. To make this an honest analogy we might say that money is > an abstraction, and the reality is the human socio-economic interaction, > which is true. Photons are like money. They have no meaningful form except > one that has been arbitrarily agreed upon - a sign, a signal, semaphore, > metaphor, etc. Photons are not light, they are a sign of illumination being > measured by something that cannot see. They are units of sensitivity > misinterpreted as independent form-functions. > > > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 6:24 AM, i.sadovnik socratus < > is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> A Man can only be an object from the perspective of a second Man. >> >> # >> >> We cannot call Man a ‘’Man’’ unless he acts >> >> and act is a phenomenon within visual sensitivity. >> >> # >> >> There can be no Man and no Woman without first having >> >> pre-quantitative capacities for sensing and making sense. >> >> # >> >> People are abstractions - the reality is sensory-motor participation >> >> ==============…. >> >> By analogy to Craig Weinberg’s opinion. >> >> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> "Photon is not only an object, it is also a subject . ." >>> >>> A photon can only be an object from the perspective of a second photon. >>> If we say "In the beginning there was a quantum of light--the rest is >>> history-----!" then we can only mean that there was a quality of >>> subjectivity which quantified part of itself as an object - a photon. We >>> cannot call anything light unless it illuminates, and illumination is a >>> phenomenon within visual sensitivity. There can be no quantum and no light >>> without first having pre-quantitative capacities for sensing and making >>> sense. Photons are abstractions - the reality is sensory-motor >>> participation. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:56 AM, i.sadovnik socratus < >>> is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The History of Existence was written by Quantum of Light. >>>> =====. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, awori achoka >>>> <awori.ach...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> In the beginning there was a quantum of light--the rest is >>>>> history-----! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ** >>>>> *Committed to strategic visioning and the state of our nationhood. >>>>> * >>>>> ** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:18 AM, sadovnik socratus < >>>>> is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We know that photon exist. ****** >>>>>> >>>>>> But … … but . . . . in which reference frame ?**** >>>>>> >>>>>> Someone had given answer: >>>>>> ' If you try to search for 'reference frame ' for the photon >>>>>> 'emission & re-emission', you will find only some >>>>>> 'Quantum-Mechanics' Mumbo jumbo and very little else.'**** >>>>>> >>>>>> My answer.**** >>>>>> >>>>>> When the quantum of light * * moves with the constant speed * *c=1 * >>>>>> *** >>>>>> >>>>>> the time for him is ‘frozen’ - stopped. Time doesn’t exist for him.* >>>>>> *** >>>>>> >>>>>> In the other words, he has eternal time. **** >>>>>> >>>>>> It means that the reference frame where the quantum of light * * moves >>>>>> **** >>>>>> >>>>>> also must be eternal, absolute. >>>>>> ==..**** >>>>>> >>>>>> iss**** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:31:48 AM UTC+7, sadovnik socratus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> photon is an energy/mass particle: E=Mc^2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) is not constant parameter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this energy/mass ( E=Mc^2 ) can be changed ( together with speed ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for example: E=Mc^2 changes into E=h*f and vice versa >>>>>>> == >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:53 PM, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Photon<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon> >>>>>>>> Do you agree with this? >>>>>>>> so, is a photon energy or particle..... when, if both?...... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:03:26 AM UTC-4, sadovnik socratus >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> SRT by an uneducated Socratus. >>>>>>>>> =. >>>>>>>>> SRT is based on three facts ! >>>>>>>>> Fact number 1: >>>>>>>>> The constant speed of photon in vacuum is minimal. >>>>>>>>> Fact number 2: >>>>>>>>> The inertia of photon depends on its potential energy: E=Mc^2 >>>>>>>>> Fact number 3: >>>>>>>>> Every speed and energy >>>>>>>>> ( including the speed and energy of photon ) are relative. >>>>>>>>> ===. >>>>>>>>> Israel Socratus >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to >>>>>>>> epistemology+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com<epistemology%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** >>>>>>>> group/epistemology?hl=en<http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out<https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >>>>>>> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >>>>>>> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light >>>>>>> Theory ’. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >>>> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >>>> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory >>>> ’. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Epistemology" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> You do not really understand something unless you can explain >> it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / >> The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Epistemology" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Epistemology" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. / Albert Einstein / The secret of God and Existence is hidden in ‘Quantum of Light Theory ’. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. 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