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Hartmut wrote: > If you shoot [BRS parachute] straight up , you expect your plane > still in a controlled flight and in need of a soft touch down. > It would even make sense in a coupe to put in the system > like that. Because recoveries out of spins seem unlikely. I'd contest your last sentence. In a Coupe, recoveries out of spins are automatic. You can't HOLD a Coupe in a spin (unless you're flying out of CG limits to the rear). Coupes can't hold enough down-tail pressure to keep the wing sufficiently stalled for out-of-control autorotation. Ed Burkhead http://edburkhead.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:44 PM To: Ed Burkhead Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BRS parachute Ed . You did a nice brief introduction of the systems available out there. It seems to me that every shooting direction is meant to fight a different cause of failure. If you shoot straight up , you expect your plane still in a controlled flight and in need of a soft touch down. It would even make sense in a coupe to put in the system like that. Because recoveries out of spins seem unlikely. Other planes have different problems. But the article suggests that the safety promised make people fly less cautionous and therefor crash even more likely. It is like with cars. The more airbags people have in THEIR cars, the less they care about a good driving style. Hartmut Ed Burkhead wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > Hartmut, > > Yeah, they put that in the book so they're covered in the lawsuit if the > chute doesn't work down low. > > A lot depends on the direction you're going when you pull the handle. If > you're going down vertically, 1,000' is pretty low. If you're going level > or up, 50' may be enough. > > Installation on the plane makes a difference, too. On some ultralights, the > parachute shoots out down and back or forward and up. In these cases, you > need some time and altitude for the plane to swing under the chute after the > chute opens. I have the VLS chute which shoots straight up (Vertical Launch > System) and it can open and take the load faster than the canisters in some > of the less-than-optimal installations. > > In a Coupe, I'd want it mounted in the baggage compartment, shooting up > through the back window. That'd get you very quick deployment, opening and > suspension just like my VLS. > > Ed Burkhead > http://edburkhead.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:39 PM > To: Ed Burkhead > Cc: Coupe-List > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BRS parachute > > Ed, all. > In the recent AOPA Magazine issue there is an article about the design of GA > aircraft for safety. > (droopy wingtips, parachutes, aileron - rudder coordination, elevator > restriction etc.) > Of course, the Ercoupe is not even mentioned. Seems some wheels have to be > invented over and over > again. > In any case the article mentions that one has to be at least at pattern > altitude to enjoy the safety > of the cirrus parachute. > > That leaves out the majority of accidents ( final and climb out ) > > Of course you can hope that the chute gets stuck in the tree when you are > falling through it. ;) > > The article however is recommended to read. It concludes that even the best > parachute system does not > help you if you are not able to pull the trigger > > Hartmut > > Ed Burkhead wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > Hartmut wrote: > > > Ed you'll need to be able to fire your Plane-Parachute when > > > at least 1000 ft AG. So always fly high!! ;) > > > > Hartmut, > > > > I DO want to explore flying low but I plan to ALWAYS have a tolerable > > landing spot within gliding distance. A Challenger II can vary from a > glide > > ratio of 11:1 down (with truly AMAZING slip ability) to about 4:1 ratios > so > > you have LOTS of glide control. These things will slip steeper than a > > Tri-Pacer! > > > > However, if I'm at 10' above the trees (like departing a short field with > > woods off the runway) and the engine stops, I'll pull the handle and hope > it > > helps - sure beats hitting the ground without even trying use potential > > resources. On the other hand, I'm not likely to even try such a rotten > > airport as that would be. > > > > I bet some of the others here can tell you about taking off on 36 at > Antique > > Airfield in Ottumwa, Iowa. Just after you get off the ground, you're over > a > > sea of trees. Leslie's airport at Chester, Connecticut, is the same way > > north OR south. The BRS parachute gives some extra options. > > > > Ed Burkhead > > http://edburkhead.com/ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:32 PM > > To: Ed Burkhead > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] headsets & intercom for sale > > > > Ed you'll need to be able to fire your Plane-Parachute when at least 1000 > ft > > AG. > > > > So always fly high!! ;) > > > > Hartmut > > > > Ed Burkhead wrote: > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > Actually, I think helmets would be cool when taxiing in to the fuel > pump, > > > open cockpit, in a Coupe. You should also get oxygen masks for maximum > > > effect. > > > > > > I can't claim that the Challenger is as safe per hour as a Coupe but I > > like > > > the idea of adding to the safety margin for myself and my passenger. > I've > > > also got a parachute for the whole plane. Eat your heart out Coupers! > > > > > > Realistically, helmets would be a good idea in Coupes and would cut down > > > auto fatalities by maybe half but we're all too macho to do such a > thing. > > * > > > I * ain't gonna get caught wearing a helmet driving down the freeway in > my > > > minivan! ;-) > > > > > > Ed Burkhead > > > http://edburkhead.com/ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:11 PM > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] headsets & intercom for sale > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > any > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > When you buy helmets to fly the Challenger, what does that tell ya??? > Just > > > kidding Ed. I think it would be tons of fun to fly one. > > > Scott > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > > == > > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > == > > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > ========================================================================== == > == > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > ========================================================================== == == > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
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