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"Coupes can't hold enough down-tail pressure to keep the wing sufficiently stalled for out-of-control autorotation." That's exactly what I meant. It is very unlikely that someone ever needs the help of a Chute system to recover from a spin in a Coupe. But still there is the need for a gentle touch down sometimes... Hartmut Ed Burkhead wrote: > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- > > Hartmut wrote: > > If you shoot [BRS parachute] straight up , you expect your plane > > still in a controlled flight and in need of a soft touch down. > > It would even make sense in a coupe to put in the system > > like that. Because recoveries out of spins seem unlikely. > > I'd contest your last sentence. In a Coupe, recoveries out of spins are > automatic. You can't HOLD a Coupe in a spin (unless you're flying out of CG > limits to the rear). Coupes can't hold enough down-tail pressure to keep > the wing sufficiently stalled for out-of-control autorotation. > > Ed Burkhead > http://edburkhead.com/ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:44 PM > To: Ed Burkhead > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BRS parachute > > Ed . > You did a nice brief introduction of the systems available out there. > It seems to me that every shooting direction is meant to fight a different > cause of failure. > > If you shoot straight up , you expect your plane still in a controlled > flight and in need of a soft > touch down. > It would even make sense in a coupe to put in the system like that. Because > recoveries out of spins > seem unlikely. > > Other planes have different problems. But the article suggests that the > safety promised make people fly > less cautionous and therefor crash even more likely. > > It is like with cars. The more airbags people have in THEIR cars, the less > they care about a good > driving style. > > Hartmut > > Ed Burkhead wrote: > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > Hartmut, > > > > Yeah, they put that in the book so they're covered in the lawsuit if the > > chute doesn't work down low. > > > > A lot depends on the direction you're going when you pull the handle. If > > you're going down vertically, 1,000' is pretty low. If you're going level > > or up, 50' may be enough. > > > > Installation on the plane makes a difference, too. On some ultralights, > the > > parachute shoots out down and back or forward and up. In these cases, you > > need some time and altitude for the plane to swing under the chute after > the > > chute opens. I have the VLS chute which shoots straight up (Vertical > Launch > > System) and it can open and take the load faster than the canisters in > some > > of the less-than-optimal installations. > > > > In a Coupe, I'd want it mounted in the baggage compartment, shooting up > > through the back window. That'd get you very quick deployment, opening > and > > suspension just like my VLS. > > > > Ed Burkhead > > http://edburkhead.com/ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 6:39 PM > > To: Ed Burkhead > > Cc: Coupe-List > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] BRS parachute > > > > Ed, all. > > In the recent AOPA Magazine issue there is an article about the design of > GA > > aircraft for safety. > > (droopy wingtips, parachutes, aileron - rudder coordination, elevator > > restriction etc.) > > Of course, the Ercoupe is not even mentioned. Seems some wheels have to be > > invented over and over > > again. > > In any case the article mentions that one has to be at least at pattern > > altitude to enjoy the safety > > of the cirrus parachute. > > > > That leaves out the majority of accidents ( final and climb out ) > > > > Of course you can hope that the chute gets stuck in the tree when you are > > falling through it. ;) > > > > The article however is recommended to read. It concludes that even the > best > > parachute system does not > > help you if you are not able to pull the trigger > > > > Hartmut > > > > Ed Burkhead wrote: > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > any > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > Hartmut wrote: > > > > Ed you'll need to be able to fire your Plane-Parachute when > > > > at least 1000 ft AG. So always fly high!! ;) > > > > > > Hartmut, > > > > > > I DO want to explore flying low but I plan to ALWAYS have a tolerable > > > landing spot within gliding distance. A Challenger II can vary from a > > glide > > > ratio of 11:1 down (with truly AMAZING slip ability) to about 4:1 ratios > > so > > > you have LOTS of glide control. These things will slip steeper than a > > > Tri-Pacer! > > > > > > However, if I'm at 10' above the trees (like departing a short field > with > > > woods off the runway) and the engine stops, I'll pull the handle and > hope > > it > > > helps - sure beats hitting the ground without even trying use potential > > > resources. On the other hand, I'm not likely to even try such a rotten > > > airport as that would be. > > > > > > I bet some of the others here can tell you about taking off on 36 at > > Antique > > > Airfield in Ottumwa, Iowa. Just after you get off the ground, you're > over > > a > > > sea of trees. Leslie's airport at Chester, Connecticut, is the same way > > > north OR south. The BRS parachute gives some extra options. > > > > > > Ed Burkhead > > > http://edburkhead.com/ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hartmut [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:32 PM > > > To: Ed Burkhead > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] headsets & intercom for sale > > > > > > Ed you'll need to be able to fire your Plane-Parachute when at least > 1000 > > ft > > > AG. > > > > > > So always fly high!! ;) > > > > > > Hartmut > > > > > > Ed Burkhead wrote: > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > Actually, I think helmets would be cool when taxiing in to the fuel > > pump, > > > > open cockpit, in a Coupe. You should also get oxygen masks for > maximum > > > > effect. > > > > > > > > I can't claim that the Challenger is as safe per hour as a Coupe but I > > > like > > > > the idea of adding to the safety margin for myself and my passenger. > > I've > > > > also got a parachute for the whole plane. Eat your heart out Coupers! > > > > > > > > Realistically, helmets would be a good idea in Coupes and would cut > down > > > > auto fatalities by maybe half but we're all too macho to do such a > > thing. > > > * > > > > I * ain't gonna get caught wearing a helmet driving down the freeway > in > > my > > > > minivan! ;-) > > > > > > > > Ed Burkhead > > > > http://edburkhead.com/ > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 5:11 PM > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] headsets & intercom for sale > > > > > > > > ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following > > any > > > > advice in this forum.]---- > > > > > > > > When you buy helmets to fly the Challenger, what does that tell ya??? > > Just > > > > kidding Ed. I think it would be tons of fun to fly one. > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > > > == > > > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > > == > > > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== == > > == > > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > > > > ========================================================================== == > == > > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ > > ========================================================================== ==== > To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm > Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/ ========================================================================== ==== To leave this forum go to: http://ercoupers.com/lists.htm Search the archives on http://escribe.com/aviation/coupers/
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