On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Brendan Eich <bren...@mozilla.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Axel Rauschmayer wrote:
>
> > Interesting insight, thanks. If defineProperties() was an instance
> method, we would have something like the following.
> >
> > var Multiplier = {
> > multiply: function (x) {
> > return x * this.FACTOR;
> > }
> > }.defineProperties({
> > FACTOR: { value: 3, writable: false }
> > });
>
> You could always get started via
>
> Object.defineProperty(Object.prototype, 'defineProperties', {value:
> Object.defineProperties.bind(Object)});
>
The ".bind(Object)" above is unnecessary since Object.defineProperties does
not use its this-binding.
>
> I suppose.
>
>
> > That is, you use the object literal for when the defaults are OK and
> defineProperties() for special cases, without having to type "Object" and
> without having to repeat the object you want to add properties to. But with
> things still changing, this might be a case of YAGNI (introducing easy
> extensibility where it is never needed).
>
> The above is a mix of Object.* verbosity with object literal conciseness.
> Not good to be between hell and heaven :-P.
>
>
> > I keep thinking that something like Java annotations might also work
> here, especially as Python has adapted them successfully to its needs, via
> decorators:
> > http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0318/
> >
> > I would mainly use property attributes to declare a property as
> non-configurable and non-writable. That would be the analog to const for
> variables. Via decorators, one could introduce @const for this purpose.
>
> Decorators are in some folks' sights for Harmony, but not ES.next. However,
> they're still too verbose.
>
> /be
>
> >
> > Axel
> >
> > On Jun 20, 2011, at 18:22 , Brendan Eich wrote:
> >
> >> On Jun 20, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Axel Rauschmayer wrote:
> >>
> >>> Would it make sense to include a shorthand for calling
> Object.defineProperty() to object literals?
> >>>
> >>> Possible benefits:
> >>> - Extensible, should other property attributes come up in the future
> >>> - Descriptive
> >>> - Might obviate the need to have a shorthand for "enumerable" (I
> usually ignore it and can’t think of any use cases)
> >>>
> >>> === Example ===
> >>>
> >>> var Multiplier = {
> >>> FACTOR :: { value: 3, writable: false },
> >>
> >> Do not use :: -- it is wanted for
> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:guards (and used
> previously in E4X, ECMA-357).
> >>
> >> Allen presented new syntax roughly as verbose at the March TC39 meeting.
> General reaction was "too verbose".
> >>
> >> Wherefore the #!~ prefixes idea, now in
> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=harmony:object_literals -- the
> syntax there is definitely not final, BTW, but something like it is needed.
> I've argued we shouldn't try to be "half-verbose", and since ES5 has the
> very verbose functional API, object initialisers probably will go the other
> way.
> >>
> >> /be
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Axel Rauschmayer
> >
> > a...@rauschma.de
> > twitter.com/rauschma
> >
> > home: rauschma.de
> > blog: 2ality.com
> >
> >
> >
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