On 12/24/14 9:34 PM, Brendan Eich wrote:
Something is quirky if we want mostly-consistent non-enumerability of
proto-methods/accessors. Either core built-ins, or DOM. Sorry if
"quirky" sounds pejorative

It sure does at least to me.

Hey, it's me, the JS perpetrator, here :-P.

Yes, I know.  ;)

I assure you I was not suffering from us v. them or multiple
personalities back then! :-P

Good.  :)

Seriously, the main problem over time has been W3C vs. Ecma, but I'm not
blaming the standards bodies (only or mostly). It's a separation of
concerns that mixed badly with Java heads, XML heads, and the IE
monopoly. Bygones.

Indeed.  I wish this was bygones, though...  Would love us to get there.

Back to the present: we have to pick a "default" setting. I think
non-enumerability wins, as noted.

That's my gut feeling too, esp. if we can de-Conway.

Anyone have the jwz nostalgia releases of old browsers such as Netscape
3?

If you'd asked this question 3 years ago, when I still had access to some Solaris workstations with all sorts of old stuff on them, I might have been able to do that for you. Certainly Netscape 4.

That said, web searching suggests http://sillydog.org/narchive/full123.php might have these things. I expect only the Windows versions are at all likely to be runnable on a modern system...

-Boris

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