> I don't think JS needs many more changes as it is today. I mean it does, but mostly on browsers land, not in its core
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Andrea Giammarchi < andrea.giammar...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like Mark's post too, and if I might ... > > > Features like classes and `let` are very often criticised and often > languages that did not add these features and are considered 'well > designed' are given in comparison (Python's lack of block scoping for > instance). > > thing is, ES6 brought in many things that took years to explain in the "JS > way" and when finally developers started knowing and appreciating > `prototypal` inheritance and started understanding the `var` behavior, to > name just few, "we" started promoting ES6 as the universal problem solver > for every dev so that `let` is the new `var` (most developers still don't > even know what does it mean) and `const` is the better `let` and `class` > finally is in the language, something that desugar anyway to prototypal > inheritance, something developers still need to understand. > > So I agree we should really stop going fancy with syntax, probably think > about sweet.js like approches, and fix all the things that will need to be > fixed in ES6, improving and finalizing classes bringing in composition like > it has always been possible before through prototypal inheritance. I really > do hope traits will be highly prioritized and binary/typed data/shapes too > 'cause I don't think JS needs many more changes as it is today. > > Just my lil'rant and keep up the good work. > > Best Regards > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Benjamin Gruenbaum <benjami...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> First of all, brilliant post Mark. >> >> > As a community, we need more of a shared sense of panic about the size >> that ES6 has already grown to. Ideally, that panic should increase, not >> decrease, with further growth from here as our size approaches the point of >> no return. >> >> As a community, we do - if you look at HackerNews or Reddit or >> StackOverflow people are constantly hating on JS getting larger. Features >> like classes and `let` are very often criticised and often languages that >> did not add these features and are considered 'well designed' are given in >> comparison (Python's lack of block scoping for instance). >> >> This is a mailing list comprised of people who typically have a much >> better understanding of the language and its corners than most (even >> professional) developers have (and dare I say, are interested in or care >> about having). With ES6 the language already got a *lot* bigger and I'd >> argue that it's now harder to learn the whole. The tradeoffs were >> worthwhile but it's definitely an issue. >> >> It's easy to forget here what traps the average user might fall into, and >> it's easy to forget what they care about and what confuses them. >> >> Fwiw, there are examples of big languages that are well liked, the >> "canonical" example of a big but very well liked (and well designed imho) >> language is C#. It has a lot of cruft now (delegates and events, array >> covariance etc) but it is still a very well liked language in general. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> es-discuss mailing list >> es-discuss@mozilla.org >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >> >> >
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