On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 4:56 PM, 李白|字一日 <[email protected]> wrote:
> it is more python than more java today:) > and less javascript. > > > 2016-01-01 23:52 GMT+08:00 Mark S. Miller <[email protected]>: > >> This discussion does not belong on this list. Please take it elsewhere.. >> > It does, but You will not accept the fact that it is only significant because of its roots... not because of its usefulness. >> >> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Sander Deryckere <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> There are also a lot of coders working in JavaScript (see >>> http://githut.info/), and JavaScript can also be used as a backend (see >>> node.js). So why shouldn't Java become a subset of JavaScript? >>> >> ES syntax is coming closer to Java , not the other way. Node is a great, I wish I could use the same lang everywhere (like java / natural lang for backend and frontend), just not js. >>> The ES design makes it very clear to not "break the web". That means >>> that any code working today, should also work tomorrow. As such, removing >>> prototypes (which are clearly more flexible than Java classes) or removing >>> the generic number class (instead of >>> >> I can do anything with Java or python as well, restrictions (less flexibility) are for developers to help them build better sw. int, float, double, ...) or removing other things Java doesn't have or Java >>> does differently, isn't an option at all. >>> >> It would not be the first time in history to break backward compatibility. >>> Regards, >>> Sander >>> >>> 2016-01-01 16:27 GMT+01:00 Bradley Meck <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> JavaScript (an implementation of EcmaScript) has different semantics >>>> than Java, it is not a subset and so it would break all sorts of backwards >>>> compatibility (and lose some functionality) to act as if it is a subset of >>>> Java. >>>> >>> I am not sure, transpilers are great, but to be honest: I would not mind breaking it. You can't lose functionality. > >>>> Basically, the languages are not directly related so it is not >>>> possible, and mostly comes up from a naming confusion. >>>> >>> Yes, they are different animals, but we produce them... I mean You. :) I know the marketing fairy tale about jscript and java and that is why I used the Java word but you can exchange it to anything else e.g. C# , Okay I touched some nerve here, so I won't be sending more emails about this topic, I just wanted You guys to know that nowadays js / es is not really in a good shape. We use it because we have to, not because we like it , so deep down we wish for a more standard language. Br, Norbert > >>>> On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Norbert Korodi < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Guys! >>>>> >>>>> I have always been a backend developer(Java, python, c++,c) and for a >>>>> long time I haven't had the privilige to play with native javascript... so >>>>> You can imagine when I was forced to code in javascript. >>>>> After a couple of hours I had a really simple thought coming up from >>>>> my spine: es6 is great and es7 will be great... but could you pls make it >>>>> more like Java? >>>>> I mean, it's great that es6 and 7 are getting closer and closer to >>>>> normal languages then why not be simply Java? >>>>> I and my team used GWT (when we were forced to code frontend) and >>>>> other tools to avoid scripting but this time(standardization is somewhere >>>>> close to the right track) You can actually make a difference and create a >>>>> standard language that could be used everywhere. Not because there are >>>>> already a lot of coders working in Java (and other high-level programming >>>>> languages), just because it is a really pain in the a$$ to learn the not >>>>> so >>>>> important differences what es has compared to other languages... and they >>>>> give nothing in return. >>>>> >>>>> Okay, I know it is a scripting language so it can not be as verbose as >>>>> Java... then just simply take stuff away from Java, and please don't add >>>>> anything else for sugaring syntax.Please add syntax only for adding new >>>>> features. >>>>> >>>>> As I reread my letter I have to admit that I might sound arrogant / >>>>> offensive (and I am sorry for that , at least I am honest ) but I am >>>>> really >>>>> tired of reading about "new"-ish es features which are only new to this >>>>> platform. >>>>> >>>>> Br, >>>>> -- >>>>> Norbert Korodi >>>>> Big data developer >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> es-discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> es-discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> es-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> --MarkM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> es-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > es-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es-discuss > > -- Norbert Korodi
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