On 8/11/07, David Chisnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11 Aug 2007, at 17:13, Yen-Ju Chen wrote: > > > Yes, the mac design makes sense. Some people do argue the close > > button > > should be away from others. > > So now, the proposal is "Minimize/iconify" on the left corner > > and "Close" on the right cornder and title on the middle. > > I'd rather have them the other way around; close on the left, iconify > on the right. Close is, to me, a more 'back' operation than iconify, > and so should go on the left (localisation aside, for now). > > > I personally like shading, and it is indeed just a minimize-in- > > place. > > Do you want both shading and minimise-to-miniwindow? > > > Regarding a menu for minimize, close, shading (like MS Windows), > > actually I removed it from Azalea. > > I don't like having actions for double clicking on the title bar, > because it's very easy to accidentally double click. Shade is better > here than minimise-to-dock as Apple does, because there is a quick > undo (double click again), without having to move the pointer a long > way. This could work with minimise-in-place too, if it minimised to > the location of the pointer. > > I was playing with some code in Composite for drawing a mini-window > (a scaling transform on the composite operation). I can tweak the > code in Composite to watch for a property saying that a window is > iconified, and have Azalea set this if Composite is running or shade > the window if it isn't for a minimise action? Would that make sense? > > David
I think both issues of (a) double-click on title bar minimize window (b) close button is harder to reach depends on how we think about users. If we think users are dummy, we do our best to prevent them from doing stupid things. If we think they are geek, we let them do thing fast. So accidents do happen (close unsaved document, etc), what is our philosophy to prevent accidents and recover from accidents ? I would like to treate users 'smart'. So for (a), it is easier to minimize on title bar so they can work efficiently. And if they do double-click on the title bar accidently, just un-minimize it. Nothing loses. For (b), many applications do provide mechanism to warn users unsaved document, many tab on the web browser, etc. In that case, do we really want to make the close button hard to reach ? I don't think so. Some window are designed to be closed often, like buddy window on StepChat. We should let the application prevent accidents, not WM. Yen-Ju > > _______________________________________________ > Etoile-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/etoile-dev > _______________________________________________ Etoile-dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/etoile-dev
