At 22:28 on 4 Feb 2002 Wilbur Haines wrote: > I have long held the view that such unauthorized recordings should not be > listed on db.etree.org. Why? Look at that URL again. Those shows aren't > listed because somebody just wants to brag about what they have - those are > trading lists. A jury would rip you a new one if you tried to cutely deny > that those lists constitute an offer to trade what's on the list for the > right incentive.
Amen... As a former lawyer (not copyright...mind you...but *very* familiar with what entities with an interest in enforcing property rights can and *will* do), we need to be clear that cutesy arguments about "non-tradeables" will NOT fly in a legal setting. > > etree should not be hosting lists **on the etree domain** which list > unmentionables. Certainly there's a way to put on your db.etree.org list > a link that says 'see the rest of my list by clicking here,' and hosting > that list elsewhere. The difference is that etree can't keep you from > doing that on another server, but can (and I believe should) refuse to host > lists *on its own domain* which offer opportunities to conspire to violate > any law. Again, very well put. Rule number one in the law: People who have power based upon rights in property can and will f**k you. Corrolary To Rule One: In the process of f-ing, the reach of power will cut wider than you might think and it will only yawn at 'cute' arguments. Remember all the warez sites just a few years ago? Remember their cute disclaimers? Don't see too many any more. And (as has been mentioned) the equally 'cute' napster position. So I hope we give up on ineffective legal arguments and get rid of *all* association of our lists and web servers with non-taper-friendly music. Period. As for people who mention the unmentionables, we should immediately remove them. Newbies have a duty to read. I did. It was all very clear and didn't require much thought. Thank you...for letting me say my piece. Coop _______________________________________________ etree mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://mail.etree.org/mailman/listinfo/etree
