another european ev list'r what a great news ! get a look at my webpages, you will find a french discussion list.
hello of france Philippe Et si le pot d'�chappement sortait au centre du volant ? quel carburant choisiriez-vous ? http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: "mechelaere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: LONG /Nicad charging > REMARK:my current adsl- provider echoed the mail proc as spamm! > I had to change to an older provider with standard modem. > I repost here some of my earlier messages which only got to yahoo. > > copy: > > Hello Tom Hudson and all members of the EVlist > > Recently I became a member of Yahoo EVlist; > > > I detected your website and read it with interest; > http://www.portev.org/solectria/ho/index.htm > > I used this email also as a test Email for the EV list and want to give some > information about an EV car in Europe running on nicads SAFT. > > Currently I have no EV-miles yet but last year I bought in France an 5000km > DC SEPEX Citroen Ax electrique ,slightly damaged but ,factory build with > Nicads 100Ah . > (4 Seats 995 Kg with battery ,load 300kg) reduction no clutch and gears > 90km/h ) > > I had battery packs removed as they ( Nicad packs in polyetyleen boxes) were > rented. > I thought I could rent them in Belgium but they are to be bought($8000$)with > boxes and fittings; > > Theoreticcaly they are to be recycled ;However at the dealers nobody nows > about what to do. > > The polyethylene boxes give an excellent isolation for the floating 120v > system. > There are three boxes: > > 1:in front BOX before engine (forewheel traction): 6 saft 100ah cooling in > series > 2:on top of engine :BOX2: 3 batteries > 3:rear side of car :BOX 3: 11 batteries cooling 5 and cooling 6 in series > > Each box has on one side a fuse from FERRAZ 330V 130A > (170A 30 min) > (220A 5 min) > (2100A 80ms ) > At the other side the same kind off fuse but this time its a dummy > fuse/separator. > one fuse (+120V) and one dummy at the other end (-120 floating) are used to > put the car out of power to work on the electric circuitry. > I am trying to manufacture new metal + plastic boxes to replace these > polyethylene boxes who stayed in France > to "Down grade" the car to LEAD traction batteries,but last week I detected > perhaps a way to buy older Nicads SAFT 140AH in France ,so I am waiting a > bit. > > The Ferraz fuses are dedicated for citroen and peugeot EV .I cannot find the > sockets (for the moment), which were very interesting as they had special > isolated cable clamps.(the security of EV is often dreadfull and deadly ! ) > > > The coolant liquid of the batteries is common with the chopper for the SEPEX > DC Motor > > liquid : PROCOR 3000 (antigel?) > protection -18�C > quality: demineralised or softened > capacity 12l > water pump 12 V > flow 600l/hour > overpressure: 0.3 Bar > radiator (rather bigger than you think as low level temperature needed : so > less efficiency) > electric ventilator 24 v running on 12 volts , starts at 30� Celcius and > stops at 25�C > expansion reservoir Stop is VERT( 0.3 BAR )with critical level at 53�Celcius > (?) > > Direction of the Flow: the three separate battery boxes outlets go to the > top of a small polyetyleen expansion > water box > > Bottom of this box goes to the water pump. > Pressured output of the pump goes to the radiator in the front which is > cooled by wind flow normally or forced by ventilator. The cooled liquid > output cools first the big electronic chopper box which also contains the > computer ,DC-dc invertor 12 V 30A ,the normal and fast charger. > The output goes then to the three batteries-packs. > > ---------------- > The Nicads needs top-filling with demineralised water (5 to 15 liter!!)at > regular intervals 10000km or when a red lamp indicates this (computer keeps > track of charge/discharge;there are some overflow outlets to see if the > batteries are full (watch out some caustic soda NAOH ? comes out) The pack > cout a total of four central pipes 1+1 at front two packs and two for the > bigpack at the rear . > > (comment:You'll not believe what they charge you for this !.I think a small > watering box with pump as for the wind shield;could be a solution together > with tree overflow detector-reservoirs) > > The engine is a LEROY SOMER SA13.3 (reverse of the clock seen from > collector) > DC with separated field > > - Cooling with separated ventilator 2 speed > speed 1 always > speed two with temp detector in windings at 85�C > if temp rises to 120�c ten chopper reduces current endafter tempdrop > to 110�C > second temp detector already present in windings for repair; > -MOTOR: > P Nominal:11 kW from 1600 to 5500 > Pmax :20kW from 1600 to 5500 rev/min > max torque 127 mN 0 to 1600 rev/min > max rev: 6700 > > security 8000rev > > voltage core inductor 120V 200A for 5 min (20kw) > voltage field 90 V nominal 10A > 4 brushes > > ----------------------------------- > On board charger 2800W 230V 16A 50 Hz > several profiles > > 1: 20A charge for 5 h = 100Ah automat limited in time if batterie is not > fully discharged > + 5 A for another 20AH (to maintain battery to its maximum capacity) > (in the manual there must be an error indicating 2 hours at 5 A > the last top charge AH uses water which are added by the computer; > once the computer added 5 full charges 5*20Ah = 100Ah the computer starts > automatically > equalisation charge 2. > 2: egalisation charge > this is an 20A normal charge and 3h at 5A > (external box ELIT at repair can trigger this phase too. > 3: Every 10000km or after adding water the start with ELIT > starting from empty > - a NORMAL charge 5h * 20A > - a TOP charge of 5h * 10A > - a pulsed charge during 72houres every 28 minutes(OFF) a pulsed > current of 10A during 2 minutes(ON) > > 4: initialisation charge: > when putting in a new battery pack the counters of the "Ah computer > counter" and the > Saft Monobloc NiCad must be egalised.This mode is also started with ELIT > diagnostic system. > - 10A during 15hours > - 10 A pulsed during 2 minutes (ON) 28min OFF , during 72 houres > > 5: FAST charge:At certain locations in certain towns: > > 150A recharges 50% of capacity (dialogue between car computer and > charging station) > > 6: Exceptional charge or prelimineraly charge before real charge: > When battery tension is between 10V and 80 Volts a small current is used > when power is between 80 Volts and 105V a current of 10A during 12 > minutes is used. > > (comments: This can be an indication that low voltage doesn't necessarely > damage Nicads. > I think that the on board DC -DC converter keeps the 12 Volts > on the main battery(separated) > and after month it has drained the traction battery. > However the traction-pack is normally shut off after 105Volt > low. > > Another time I write about the traction/regenerator control. > > > > The situation of Ev is almost disparate in Europe nowadays except for small > EV in Germany and Austria,Swiss; > Only public services use electric cars.La Rochelle Town in France is an +++ > exception here. > > Greetings > > Eddy Mechelaere BELGIUM > > AX Electrique > > (P.S. I am looking for cheap yellow top Optima's in Europe.The importer asks > ++200$ each+ VAT. > In case I cannot find cheap NICADS next month.Any addresses? Thanks >
