EV Digest 2699
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
by "BORTEL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Henny Electric
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Henny Electric
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Making the degree sign (was Re: Motor, Surprise!)
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: That time of the year again...
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Donations
by Lee Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Overpowered Motor
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Curtis 1505 running on 12V
by Alex Karahalios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone under
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Insurance
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
12) Re: Insurance
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone
under
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Insurance
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
15) Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Circuit Diagrams For Motor Controllers
by "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
by "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Mechanical pulse width modulation
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Houston EV
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Who's selling this beauty?
by "The Levine Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Insurance
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Another eBay EV in NJ
by "The Levine Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
by Will Beckett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Insurance
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone under
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: Insurance
by "Travis Raybold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Insurance
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Insurance
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: Mechanical pulse width modulation
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Another eBay EV in NJ
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
33) Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
by "Dean Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
34) Re: Who's selling this beauty?
by Lonnie Borntreger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
35) Re: Who's selling this beauty?
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain names. We
would like to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer. If anyone on this
list is a sales rep to these manufacturers,
blah, blah, blah...
Aren't domain squatters fun.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
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Me, too!!
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From: "Lesley Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
> Joe Smalley wrote:
> > If enough people are interested, I can post the schematic of the control
> > panel, the electronic load and an executable version of the software.
>
> Well, I'm certainly interested. Anyone else?
>
> --
> Lesley Walker, Wellington, New Zealand
> LRW at clear.net.nz
> "Do you like cat?"
> "Yes, I quite like cats."
> "Leg or breast?"
> Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
>
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and
David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
Some people swear by Trojan. I like US Battery better. They will sell and
ship directly to you, or arrange for you to get them at a very good price
through a local dealer. You can also order any type of terminal you want,
which seems to be a problem with Trojans. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and they'll hook you up with a local contact.
--
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S10
1970's Elec-Trak
http://www.eeevee.com
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Sorry!
Jim Coate wrote all of one word:
and
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Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S10
1970's Elec-Trak
http://www.eeevee.com
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I've always thought that things like the the degree symbol, �, and other
standard ASCII characters were universally readable.
I'm curious if anyone reading this message can't read �F or �C in
this sentence and what you see if you can't.
They are universally readable if everyone uses the same font. This is
why most e-mail readers default to Courier. It's monospace and shows
up on every platform programmed in the last 25 years. Unfortunately,
not all fonts map the same characters to the same ASCII codes. This
poses a real problem in my profession (the print industry).
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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1sclunn wrote:
I have been thinking of different way to deal with the cord...
2. after many winding and unwinding the cord gets twist in it.
I solve this by winding it in a figure-8. For example, suppose you have
two posts that you are winding the cord on. Instead of winding the cord
clockwise around both posts, you wind it clockwise around one, and
counterclockwise around the other. This results in no twist.
Here's an old sailing trick originally for coiling rope on deck so
that it will not tangle as it is pulled. As you coil your cord, give
it a half-twist inward (toward the previous coils). With a little
practice, you will get a perfect coil every time, and no twist.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
______________________________________________________
"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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Yeah, you could always try Southern California Edison
but, their EVs they give away usually need a lot of
work.
Ivan Lee Workman
A man with an EV Mission.
--- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the LA Basin, there are a ton of groups who are
> always trying to _collect_ dead or live cars. They
> either fix them up to sell and keep their charities
> running, or auction them, or sell for scrap. You
> might be able to catch them. Examples are religious
> groups, groups working for the blind, etc.
> Time to do some digging; I think they might be
> able
> to help you.
> Good luck.
> --- Jared Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Does anyone have any ideas of who would donate an
> EV
> > or NEV. I volunteer
> > with an non-profit Emergency Medical Services
> group
> > in Los Angeles that
> > specializes in special events. One thing they do
> is
> > patrol foot race
> > course, but the fumes bother the runners. They are
> a
> > non-profit all
> > volunteer group, any ideas on who might donate a
> > vehicle?
> > -Jared
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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I picked up a E36 scooter with a CD34001 36V 800 watt motor that had been
supercharged to 48V. The controller is upgraded also and I am not sure how
many amps it was pushing, though I suspect the small tabbed gel cells are
limiting the amps some. I was set to test it when I got home, but was put
off by a popping sound as I used it to commute from my office to cheaper
parking. This is for about a half mile run with no hills.
I opened the motor to find out why I was probably not getting the
performance that the original owner had. One wire had completely melted
off one of the four brushes, with another barely hanging on. Power is
currently coming in on standard strand #10 gauge wire, but one bush appears
to only have a solid #12 gauge strand. Wires came loose do to melted solder.
So my original plan was to upgrade the wire to #8 gauge
micro-stranded. But now I am wondering if that will be enough. Is there
something I can do to strengthen the solder? A silver solder, rather then
lead? Or is that what was already there? I have a 100 watt soldering iron
that should be able to do the job, or a torch if more is needed.
I would hate to fix the weakest link, only to find the next one. And I am
planning on watching the temp and current before commuting on it
again. Any thoughts? Am I back to 36V?
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Has anyone gotten a Curtis 1505 controller to run on 12V? It normally
operates on 24V with a 18V cutoff voltage. I have only found a wiring
diagram for a 1505 but not a schematic.
I want to use the 1505 to control a MR2 power steering pump used in a
U.S. Electricar Prizm. The MR2 steering pump motor has a max voltage of
10V, although it is currently being run off the 12V auxiliary battery.
On a MR2 there is a steering ECU and motor controller which adjusts the
speed of the steering pump based on vehicle speed.
Thanks,
Alex Karahalios
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--- Thomas Shay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My feelings about this are mixed. I like the idea of one-person
> EVs and hope that someday somebody can succeed at
> making them and selling them. But I won't grieve for the
> Sparrow or for Corbin Motors. The car and the company had
> profound and unsolvable problems. We'll be better
> off without them. My optimistic side thinks that others
> have watched the Sparrow phenomenon and learned enough to
> succeed where Corbin and the Sparrow have failed.
> Tom Shay
Hiya Thomas and list. someday? sombody? making and selling? I scooted
about 20km through town on a "store-bought" today... lots of coastings
and downhills, so easier on my two 12v 10Ah SLA batts in very chilly
temps...
Batts were gasping a bit anyway before a respite a block from home (bar
patio w/electric light trim/outlets around their patio. Imagine, every
tree a "charge station"!) Still, "good time had by all" on the days
commute. No salty slush about any more at least. My client let me
wheel the scoot through their offices for a plug-in/top up in the
afternoon which was amusing. My 50lb. scoot was put together by an
Australian co, though made in Thailand, branded for a French co., and
imported into Canada.
I'm glad there are some EV manufacturers out there already "nibbling
`round the edges" and doin' just fine vs the grander pursuit of the
"all purpose/go anywhere and go everywhere" SUV EV <smile>. Corbin may
be history, but still a step along The EV Way.
About all those coasts and downhills today? OK, I cheated a bit. Got
up a bit of altitude first this morning, from our (electric) subway
<grin>. It's all good. Now, if my scoot wasn't so illegal here, well,
that would put the icing on the cake!
SLA NiMHwannaby in Toronto, thinking Twike...
Lock
______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to electric using a kit from
Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a Chicago city sticker and IL
state license plates but my regular car insurance company (State Farm whom
I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever even getting a ticket) has
declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered it.' - their words. Does
anyone know of an insurance company that will insure a self-converted vehicle
without either lying to them about who converted it or just neglecting to
tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed engineer, mechanic or any of
that. I just want liability insurance.
Hi John,
Congratulations on your conversion!
I would suggest talking to another State Farm agent.
I don't own a car that is not severely altered. My State Farm agent
has no trouble with it. They just make lists of what I've altered and
submit the application. It's worked for many years and several cars.
Maybe it's different because I'm in California, but I would at least
try calling a few agents.
-Otmar-
http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers, now available.
http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
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I feel an EV version of a classic Beach Boy's song coming on...
>From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:31:10 -0800
>
>Very sad. Just the other day I saw a little old lady from Pasadena type
>driving a Sparrow up Valencia street in San Francisco. Yes her head was
>just clearing the steering wheel. Lawrence Rhodes.....
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Check to see if your state allows you to post a bond instead of getting
insurance.
Some states such as Ohio did allow car owners to post a bond instead of
getting regular insurance. Atleast you get your money back when you
stop driving instead of giving it to the insurance company for all those
years of driving.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 19:51:35 -0800 Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to electric using a
> kit from
> >Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a Chicago city
> sticker and IL
> >state license plates but my regular car insurance company (State
> Farm whom
> >I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever even getting a
> ticket) has
> >declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered it.' - their words.
> Does
> >anyone know of an insurance company that will insure a
> self-converted vehicle
> >without either lying to them about who converted it or just
> neglecting to
> >tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed engineer, mechanic or
> any of
> >that. I just want liability insurance.
>
> Hi John,
> Congratulations on your conversion!
>
> I would suggest talking to another State Farm agent.
> I don't own a car that is not severely altered. My State Farm agent
> has no trouble with it. They just make lists of what I've altered
> and
> submit the application. It's worked for many years and several cars.
>
> Maybe it's different because I'm in California, but I would at least
>
> try calling a few agents.
>
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers, now available.
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
>
>
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me to
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From: "Lesley Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
> Joe Smalley wrote:
> > If enough people are interested, I can post the schematic of the control
> > panel, the electronic load and an executable version of the software.
>
> Well, I'm certainly interested. Anyone else?
>
> --
> Lesley Walker, Wellington, New Zealand
> LRW at clear.net.nz
> "Do you like cat?"
> "Yes, I quite like cats."
> "Leg or breast?"
> Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
>
>
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From: "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Circuit Diagrams For Motor Controllers
> Jeremy, See "Build Your Own Electric Vehicle" by Bob Brant for controller
> circuits and a discussion of the pros and cons of build vs buy. This book
> is available in some public libraries and from Amazon.com for about $15 US
> plus shipping. If you want to go low tech with a relay based system see
the
> circuit at http://www.geocities.com/thomassonmj/electric_drive.html or use
> the Lee Hart variation shown below. The more batteries you have, the more
> voltage steps you get.
>
> 1 battery = 1 step
> 3 batteries = 3 steps
> 7 batteries = 7 steps
> etc
>
> (view with fixed width font):
> > _______
> > | | K4
> > +__|__ NC O ___________to motor +
> > 48v ___ / COM
> > | NO O/
> > |_______|_________
> > |
> > _______ |
> > | | K3 |
> > +__|__ NO O _______|
> > 24V ___ / COM
> > | NC O/
> > |_______|_________
> > |
> > _______ |
> > | | K2 |
> > +__|__ NO O _______|
> > 12V ___ / COM
> > | NC O/
> > |_______|_________
> > |
> > _______ |
> > | | K1 |
> > +__|__ NO O _______|
> > 6V ___ / COM
> > | NC O/
> > |_______|____________to motor -
> >
> > This only requires 4 contactors. You can still get any voltage from 0v
> > to 90v in 6v steps. No combination of contactors K1-K4 being on/off ever
> > shorts any battery.
> >
> > You might want a 5th contactor (K5) for an all-off condition (as shown,
> > when K1-K4 are all off they short the motor, which would brake it to a
> > stop).
> >
> > The contactors could all be SPST if the NC-COM contact were replaced
> > with diodes. You couldn't do regen with the diodes, however.
> >
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeremy Burtenshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "EV List Posting" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:11 AM
> Subject: Circuit Diagrams For Motor Controllers
>
>
> > Hi All
> >
> > Been reading the old logs but have not come up with any reasonable
circuit
> > diagrams for motor control. I am building a simple electric bike to
begin
> > with, and have the electronic knowledge, but I need some ideas to work
> with.
> >
> > Can anybody help?
> >
> > Jeremy, Perth Western Australia
> >
> > P.S. Is it ok for me to put a message like this on the list?
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
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Are there any EV events and/or organizations in the Houston area? I live in
League City. Thanks, Mark T.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell Oates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Evlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:06 PM
> Subject: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
>
>
> > For anyone that may be interested in attending, the annual EV
> > Challenge will be held in Raleigh NC April 11th and 12th. This is of
> .......
>
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Okay, since everybody seems to be tossing in their ideas for a cheap
controller, how about one that I (and probably zillions of others!) thought
up a few years ago.
I never did get around to building one though...
This is a purely mechanical system.
A rotor with 2 brushes. One fixed, one moveable.
The rotor has only 2 contacts, each covering most of 180 deg around the
rotor.
There is a non-conductive gap that is a bit wider than a brush between the
ends of them. (So each actually only covers 170 deg or so of the
circumference.)
You spin the rotor at a few thousand RPM.
When the brushes are 180 deg apart, there is no contact between them, power
is off.
As the moveable brush swings closer to the fixed brush, the time that they
conduct increases.
This adjusts the Pulse width for the On time.
Once the moveable brush has swung all the way over to the fixed brush, you
are at 100% on.
You would want some free-wheeling diodes, and I bet this thing would arc
like the devil.
Still might be fun to build one sometime.
--
John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream.... http://www.CasaDelGato.com
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I am still trying to make it to my first meeting of the Houston chapter of
the Electric Automobile Association <http://www.heaa.org/> The next
meeting is two weeks from Thursday, which I think I can make. And Earth
Day is coming up on two days later on the 19th at Rice University, which I
know I can make.
At 10:38 PM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
Are there any EV events and/or organizations in the Houston area? I live in
League City. Thanks, Mark T.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell Oates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Evlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:06 PM
> Subject: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
>
>
> > For anyone that may be interested in attending, the annual EV
> > Challenge will be held in Raleigh NC April 11th and 12th. This is of
> .......
>
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Me three. :-)
At 01:38 AM 4/3/2003, you wrote:
me to
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From: "Lesley Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
> Joe Smalley wrote:
> > If enough people are interested, I can post the schematic of the control
> > panel, the electronic load and an executable version of the software.
>
> Well, I'm certainly interested. Anyone else?
>
> --
> Lesley Walker, Wellington, New Zealand
> LRW at clear.net.nz
> "Do you like cat?"
> "Yes, I quite like cats."
> "Leg or breast?"
> Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
>
>
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409904770&cat
egory=6327
It's got one of Victor's AC drives and a Hawker pack - a starting bid of
$19,500 is way out of my range, though!
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I <I>Think</I> that state farm will insure it if you contact the
regional office and talk to someone there, don't talk to your local
office.
Failing that, Progress insures my converted Toyota pickup and not only
is it "altered" it's registered as a "Self assembled vehicle"
About the only part that is still "Pickup" is the body. It has a home
made frame, a Supra rear end, a Starlet transmission a...well you get
the picture.
Just to make things fun my Arizona issued VIN only has 9 digits.
The insurance aint cheap though. I pay as much for liability on the
pickup as I do for my Porsche and Escort combined (through a different
insurance company)
>I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to electric using a kit
>from Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a Chicago city
>sticker and IL state license plates but my regular car insurance
>company (State Farm whom I've been with for 12 years with no claims or
>ever even getting a ticket) has declined to cover the pickup because I
>'altered it.' - their words. Does anyone know of an insurance company
>that will insure a self-converted vehicle without either lying to them
>about who converted it or just neglecting to tell them it's electric?
>I'm not a licensed engineer, mechanic or any of that. I just want
>liability insurance.
--
EVDL
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409894024&cat
egory=10368
Anyone know if a Lectric Leopard can go 60-70 miles on the highway? And I
don't get this statement: We have listed this as a private auction to save
bidders from golf cart spam.
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The Houston Chapter of the Electric Auto Association.
http://www.heaa.org/
- Will
Will Beckett
Contact information (https://ecardfile.com/id/will_beckett)
Become a member or donate to the Electric Auto Association, donations are
tax deductible. http://eaaev.org/eaamembership.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Thomasson
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 8:38 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
Are there any EV events and/or organizations in the Houston area? I live in
League City. Thanks, Mark T.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mitchell Oates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Evlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 12:06 PM
> Subject: EV Challenge Raleigh NC April 11th/12th
>
>
> > For anyone that may be interested in attending, the annual EV
> > Challenge will be held in Raleigh NC April 11th and 12th. This is of
> .......
>
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Allstate insures my EVs. Don't forget to consider a
_stated value policy_, where you prove that you've got
$7K worth of electronics on board in event of
accident. You don't want to get $3K or less if it
got totaled. BTW, one Allstate agent _never even
offered_ a stated value policy, while the other
charged only $30 more than his regular coverage to get
it. So yes, agents from the same company, but with
different offices may treat you differentl/offer
different services.
Nationwide four years ago would _not_ cover my EV.
So I've "been there done that" hassle.
Good luck.
--- Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to
> electric using a kit from
> >Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a
> Chicago city sticker and IL
> >state license plates but my regular car insurance
> company (State Farm whom
> >I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever
> even getting a ticket) has
> >declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered
> it.' - their words. Does
> >anyone know of an insurance company that will
> insure a self-converted vehicle
> >without either lying to them about who converted it
> or just neglecting to
> >tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed
> engineer, mechanic or any of
> >that. I just want liability insurance.
>
> Hi John,
> Congratulations on your conversion!
>
> I would suggest talking to another State Farm agent.
> I don't own a car that is not severely altered. My
> State Farm agent
> has no trouble with it. They just make lists of what
> I've altered and
> submit the application. It's worked for many years
> and several cars.
>
> Maybe it's different because I'm in California, but
> I would at least
> try calling a few agents.
>
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers,
> now available.
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
>
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On 2 Apr 2003 at 11:45, Rich Rudman wrote:
> If Rick could make a Single seat Tango lite, 8 inch motor 500 amps of
> Curtis type controller, and the bare interior essentials, we could have
> a HONEST Sparrow.
At least for me, the single seat made the Sparrow a no-starter. True, I do
a lot of driving alone ... but I also go a lot of places with Margaret.
Besides, an EV just ^has^ to be shown off to friends, especially when it's
brand new. What are you going to do, make 'em ride on the roof?
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progressive just started a policy on my new fiat spyder conversion,
liability only, but it only adds $11 every six months as a second car for me
and my wife :) they didnt hesitate at all when i told them it is electric.
--travis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Bob Bath
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Insurance
Allstate insures my EVs. Don't forget to consider a
_stated value policy_, where you prove that you've got
$7K worth of electronics on board in event of
accident. You don't want to get $3K or less if it
got totaled. BTW, one Allstate agent _never even
offered_ a stated value policy, while the other
charged only $30 more than his regular coverage to get
it. So yes, agents from the same company, but with
different offices may treat you differentl/offer
different services.
Nationwide four years ago would _not_ cover my EV.
So I've "been there done that" hassle.
Good luck.
--- Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to
> electric using a kit from
> >Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a
> Chicago city sticker and IL
> >state license plates but my regular car insurance
> company (State Farm whom
> >I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever
> even getting a ticket) has
> >declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered
> it.' - their words. Does
> >anyone know of an insurance company that will
> insure a self-converted vehicle
> >without either lying to them about who converted it
> or just neglecting to
> >tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed
> engineer, mechanic or any of
> >that. I just want liability insurance.
>
> Hi John,
> Congratulations on your conversion!
>
> I would suggest talking to another State Farm agent.
> I don't own a car that is not severely altered. My
> State Farm agent
> has no trouble with it. They just make lists of what
> I've altered and
> submit the application. It's worked for many years
> and several cars.
>
> Maybe it's different because I'm in California, but
> I would at least
> try calling a few agents.
>
> -Otmar-
>
> http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers,
> now available.
> http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
>
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Try a different agent. Some just don't have a clue.
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I had no trouble insuring all my vehicles with Allstate for years. They even
advised the stated value policy option.
I had trouble insuring a "home made" vehicle with Allstate so I moved to
Safeco. They did not have the stated value option but they had no problem
with the EV or the home made vehicle. I even saved a few bucks a month
(while increasing my coverage limits) in the process.
Both companies have been good to work with and I would not have changed
except for Allstate refusing to cover that one vehicle. No other companies
would cover the home made vehicle.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Insurance
> Allstate insures my EVs. Don't forget to consider a
> _stated value policy_, where you prove that you've got
> $7K worth of electronics on board in event of
> accident. You don't want to get $3K or less if it
> got totaled. BTW, one Allstate agent _never even
> offered_ a stated value policy, while the other
> charged only $30 more than his regular coverage to get
> it. So yes, agents from the same company, but with
> different offices may treat you differentl/offer
> different services.
> Nationwide four years ago would _not_ cover my EV.
> So I've "been there done that" hassle.
> Good luck.
>
> --- Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to
> > electric using a kit from
> > >Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a
> > Chicago city sticker and IL
> > >state license plates but my regular car insurance
> > company (State Farm whom
> > >I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever
> > even getting a ticket) has
> > >declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered
> > it.' - their words. Does
> > >anyone know of an insurance company that will
> > insure a self-converted vehicle
> > >without either lying to them about who converted it
> > or just neglecting to
> > >tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed
> > engineer, mechanic or any of
> > >that. I just want liability insurance.
> >
> > Hi John,
> > Congratulations on your conversion!
> >
> > I would suggest talking to another State Farm agent.
> > I don't own a car that is not severely altered. My
> > State Farm agent
> > has no trouble with it. They just make lists of what
> > I've altered and
> > submit the application. It's worked for many years
> > and several cars.
> >
> > Maybe it's different because I'm in California, but
> > I would at least
> > try calling a few agents.
> >
> > -Otmar-
> >
> > http://www.CafeElectric.com/ New Zilla controllers,
> > now available.
> > http://www.evcl.com/914 My electric 914
> >
>
>
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John G. Lussmyer wrote:
> idea for a cheap controller... This is a purely mechanical system.
> A rotor with 2 brushes. One fixed, one moveable... spin the rotor
> at a few thousand rpm... When the brushes are 180 deg apart, there
> is no contact between them, power is off. As the moveable brush
> swings closer to the fixed brush, the time that they conduct
> increases. This adjusts the Pulse width for the On time.
Yes, you have re-invented the original early 1900's PWM controller.
> You would want some free-wheeling diodes, and I bet this thing
> would arc like the devil.
Yes indeed! Inventors quickly figured this out. But there were no
freewheel diodes in 1910. So, they resonated the load with an inductor
or capacitor, and used two switches (one for the "MOSFET" and one for
the "diode"). This made arcing no worse than it is for a commutator.
> Still might be fun to build one sometime.
Working modern examples of this type of controller can be found in cheap
tape players built in the 1970's. They put the rotary switch contact
right on the main motor, and of course used a freewheel diode. The
switch duty cycle was controlled by a flyball governor, and was used to
hold motor speed constant (for the tape's capstan).
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The Levine Family wrote:
> Anyone know if a Lectric Leopard can go 60-70 miles on the highway?
Well, yes... if you don't care how long it takes. You would have to
drive very slowly, like 20-30 mph at constant speed.
--
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814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
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From: "Lesley Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: Bringing Old Lead Back To Life
> Joe Smalley wrote:
> > If enough people are interested, I can post the schematic of the control
> > panel, the electronic load and an executable version of the software.
>
> Well, I'm certainly interested. Anyone else?
Me four!
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On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 23:24, The Levine Family wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409904770&cat
> egory=6327
>
> It's got one of Victor's AC drives and a Hawker pack - a starting bid of
> $19,500 is way out of my range, though!
Looks like this one:
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/260.html
Lonnie
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Wow, the car of my dreams. I wonder how you get a loan on an ebay listing?
At 11:24 PM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409904770&cat
egory=6327
It's got one of Victor's AC drives and a Hawker pack - a starting bid of
$19,500 is way out of my range, though!
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