EV Digest 2700
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Who's selling this beauty?
by "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Universal Posts
by Darryl Umale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Insurance
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: Insurance
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Ultra/Super capacitors
by "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: Donations
by "George Tylinski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone under
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Mechanical pulse width modulation
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Newspaper Story about Corbin Motors Demise
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Universal Posts
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: plugging in Zivan K2 after other chargers
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Remote control for a PFC charger?
by "Chuck Hursch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone under
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Ultra/Super capacitors
by "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Universal Posts
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: Universal Posts
by "Andre Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) 2 controllers to 1 motor, or 0 controllers to 1 motor?
by "The Levine Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Making the degree sign (please don't)
by Lesley Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Chabot College Magne Charger and ICS-200
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Kewet EV
by Carmen Farruggia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) RE: Chabot College Magne Charger and ICS-200
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
23) RE: Kewet EV
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
24) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by "S. David Lalonde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by Adam Kuehn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: EV Marketing Mistakes / Sales Reps Welcomed
by Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Another eBay EV in NJ
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
29) Re: Corbin Motors (makers of the Sparrow) seems to have gone under
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's a nice looking car, but $19,500?
They used ratchet straps to hold the front three batteries together?
I wonder what other short cuts they used to put this thing together.
Rod
Gordon Niessen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
o> cc:
Sent by: Subject: Re: Who's selling this
beauty?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.sjsu.edu
04/03/03 07:56 AM
Please respond to
ev
Wow, the car of my dreams. I wonder how you get a loan on an ebay listing?
At 11:24 PM 4/2/2003, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409904770&cat
>egory=6327
>
>It's got one of Victor's AC drives and a Hawker pack - a starting bid of
>$19,500 is way out of my range, though!
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Bruce,
I am interested in what these posts look like.
Is there a site where I can view this connectors ?
thanks,
Darryl
--- Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Richard,
>
> your exide 108s are probably the same as a T108.
>
> Peter can comment on the washers.
> but you need to POST what type of motor, controller,
> and the weight of your EV.
>
> When my Blazer was first converted, they used
> automotive
> lugs. Later when automotive lug posts were more
> hassle
> and cost to get, I changed to the S post, and have
> been
> changing my automotive lug cables over to flat blade
> type.
>
> So, I still have a mix. I do not see a problem with
> a
> mix at my currents (300 battery amps).
>
> -Bruce
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For my Datsun PU (http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/399.html), Nationwide, after
24 years of my business, gave me the same answer. They wouldn't insure
a "modified" vehicle. I didn't search too long before finding that Geico
didn't hesitate to provide liability-only coverage for it. Price was
competitive, as far as I could tell.
Maybe not the best, but one that worked for me.
Eric Johnson
Portland, OR
'82 electric Datsun PU
'02 Toyota Prius
Battery electric lawnmower and weed whacker
> I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to electric using a kit from
> Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a Chicago city sticker and IL
> state license plates but my regular car insurance company (State Farm whom
> I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever even getting a ticket) has
> declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered it.' - their words. Does
> anyone know of an insurance company that will insure a self-converted vehicle
> without either lying to them about who converted it or just neglecting to
> tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed engineer, mechanic or any of
> that. I just want liability insurance.
>
> John B.
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At 10:42 PM 4/2/03 -0500, you wrote:
I've just finished converting a Toyota pickup to electric using a kit from
Electro-automotive in Santa Cruz, CA. I've got a Chicago city sticker and IL
state license plates but my regular car insurance company (State Farm whom
I've been with for 12 years with no claims or ever even getting a ticket) has
declined to cover the pickup because I 'altered it.' - their words. Does
anyone know of an insurance company that will insure a self-converted vehicle
without either lying to them about who converted it or just neglecting to
tell them it's electric? I'm not a licensed engineer, mechanic or any of
that. I just want liability insurance.
A few years ago I did an article for Home Power about insuring EVs. I
talked to many of the larger insurance companies. Every single one, at the
head office level, said they would definitely insure an electric
conversion. Sometimes you just have to go far enough up the food
chain. If the local agent says "No", he either doesn't know how to do it,
or just plain doesn't want to.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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I would think Big Auto (GM, etc) would love to give or let you borrow
one for your events for the good publicity. They also have to get a
certain number of Evs on the road in CA to meet legal requirements I
believe, so you'd be helping them too.
- GT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee Workman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 6:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Donations
>
>
> Yeah, you could always try Southern California Edison
> but, their EVs they give away usually need a lot of
> work.
>
> Ivan Lee Workman
>
> A man with an EV Mission.
> --- Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In the LA Basin, there are a ton of groups who are
> > always trying to _collect_ dead or live cars. They
> > either fix them up to sell and keep their charities
> > running, or auction them, or sell for scrap. You
> > might be able to catch them. Examples are religious
> > groups, groups working for the blind, etc.
> > Time to do some digging; I think they might be
> > able
> > to help you.
> > Good luck.
> > --- Jared Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Does anyone have any ideas of who would donate an
> > EV
> > > or NEV. I volunteer
> > > with an non-profit Emergency Medical Services
> > group
> > > in Los Angeles that
> > > specializes in special events. One thing they do
> > is
> > > patrol foot race
> > > course, but the fumes bother the runners. They are
> > a
> > > non-profit all
> > > volunteer group, any ideas on who might donate a
> > > vehicle?
> > > -Jared
> > >
> >
> >
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David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
>
> On 2 Apr 2003 at 11:45, Rich Rudman wrote:
>
> > If Rick could make a Single seat Tango lite, 8 inch motor 500 amps of
> > Curtis type controller, and the bare interior essentials, we could have
> > a HONEST Sparrow.
>
> At least for me, the single seat made the Sparrow a no-starter. True, I do
> a lot of driving alone ... but I also go a lot of places with Margaret.
>
> Besides, an EV just ^has^ to be shown off to friends, especially when it's
> brand new. What are you going to do, make 'em ride on the roof?
>
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> 1991 Solectria Force 144vac
> 1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
> 1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
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WRONG!!! The concept was a single seater commuter car.
it's still as valid as it was.
Get a coupe or somthing else , Sparrows are what the clogged roads need.
The Tango is the next best concept. Still most 9 to 5 ers out there run
solo.
Until that change there is a vacant gap in the EV commuter world.
Nice feature creep... No dice here.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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I remember reading about such a contraption in an electric car 10 years
ago or longer. Maybe it was in "Mother Earth News"
Tom Shay
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http://www.pinnaclenews.com/sb-edition/sb3.html
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My set of Bellvills came from ElectroAutomotive when I purchased
my VoltsRabbit kit, and I don't know where ElectroAutomotive got
them from. I don't recall seeing them in many of the hardware
stores. However, you can probably use a regular washer, and
"spank" it with a wide punch and hefty hammer to get that
bowed/dish effect. In some of my EV projects, a friend and I did
it this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Millhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: evlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Universal Posts
I guess I should give more info about my car, so you can make a
better suggestion. It's probably about 300 lbs, has a 1221c
Curtis, 9 inch ADC motor, and 1200 lbs of 245 ah Exide 6-volts
(they are comp. to T145's). Where can I get some of those
Bellville washers? Thanks,
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From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Universal Posts
Richard,
your exide 108s are probably the same as a T108.
Peter can comment on the washers.
but you need to POST what type of motor, controller,
and the weight of your EV.
When my Blazer was first converted, they used automotive
lugs. Later when automotive lug posts were more hassle
and cost to get, I changed to the S post, and have been
changing my automotive lug cables over to flat blade type.
So, I still have a mix. I do not see a problem with a
mix at my currents (300 battery amps).
-Bruce
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David Roden wrote:
> On 1 Apr 2003 at 23:13, Chuck Hursch wrote:
>
> > I still haven't figured out why a Zivan K2 plugged in
> > after a non-isolated charger, such as the K&W BC-20 or
RUSSCO, is
> > plugged in, will yellow-light (at least it doesn't start up
after
> > up after the "test" phase).
>
> Battery voltage too high? Just a guess.
My guess, after what Bruce had to say, and your mention of
battery voltage maybe being too high, is that probably the
voltage peaks from the K&W on the charging lines with their
voltage drop to the battery pack caused the Zivan to think the
voltage was too high. As the battery pack itself was usually
quite well discharged (say down to 50% or a little more) in these
cases, I doubt the battery voltage would go up much with a 120VAC
K&W.
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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One of the thought processes I've had going in background mode is
where to do a permanent install of a PFC-20 (or better yet, a
PFC-50 ;-)) in the ol' Yellow Banana (Rabbit). The PFC-20 is
probably handle-able without too much sweat, but the PFC-50 is
another story. After looking at Bruce's beautiful BIG PFC-50 a
few weeks ago, it doesn't look easy. Inside the passenger
compartment, which I'd prefer to avoid, perhaps the charger could
be bolted to the floor underneath one of the seats, although I
suspect vertical clearance would kill this idea. Footrest in a
box - perhaps - knees high for rear passengers, and
tripping/kicking potential. If I could get the airconditioning
box out from in front of the stick shift, maybe a PFC-20 on the
tunnel would work, but the PFC-50 seems too long. So I keep
coming back to the idea of putting the charger underneath the
car, mounted in the hole underneath the rear seat where the gas
tank came out. Even though that area is covered by a bellypan
(and the bellypan is not guaranteed to be in place), I'd still
have to put the charger in some kind of protective box with
ventilation fans (how many pounds are we adding?). As the
charger would be inaccessible, I would have to have some way of
monitoring and controlling it remotely, perhaps with wire leads
leading up to where I normally charge at with the Zivan. Anyone
done anything like this, and would Rich have a hissy-fit knowing
that this kind of setup existed? I remember the discussion of
stuffing a PFC under the "hood" of a Sparrow, which was pretty
radical. After the PFC install, I'd have to deal with the Avcon
inlet install (I think I got that one figured), before I could
come up to the level of Bruce's ampabouts.
Thanks,
Chuck Hursch
Larkspur, CA
NBEAA treasurer and webmaster
www.geocities.com/nbeaa
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/339.html
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On 3 Apr 2003 at 11:25, Rich Rudman wrote:
> WRONG!!! The concept was a single seater commuter car.
> it's still as valid as it was.
I'm well aware of the advantages of a single-passenger vehicle. I'm jsut
saying that there are significant DISadvantages. It's not suitable for my
needs, and probably not for lots of people.
The Tango, with tandem seating for two, is a better concept overall, much
more flexible and useful. So was Luciole, but that seems to have vanished
without a trace. A pity.
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1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
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Mark Thomasson wrote,
>Is this possible? Did I screw up the calculations?
We will see in three weeks. This is part of the "Wicked Watts" announcement
that I sent out.
"Brigham Young University (BYU) will be there with a EV-1, factory motor
with there custom built controller running on super capacitors and a pit
crew of 15 engineering students, make your travel plans now this is a must
see
EVent."
Let us know if you are planning on coming to the NEDRA EVent and make sure
you stop by and say Hi.
www.lasvegasev.com
Richard Furniss
Las Vegas, NV
1986 Mazda EX-7 192v
1981 Lectra Centauri 108v
3 Wheel Trail Master 12v
Board Member, www.lveva.org
Las Vegas Electric Vehicle Association
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From: "Mark Thomasson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:58 AM
Subject: Ultra/Super capacitors
The new super capacitors have amazing energy storage capacity compared to
older capacitor technology. Would they have any usefulness in battery only
EV designs?
Super capacitors are a long way from replacing chemical batteries entirely
because of cost and low energy density. They are attractive for hybrid
designs because they are light and can dump most of their stored energy
quickly and efficiently (high power density).
How about a capacitor powered dragster? My rough calculations indicate that
56 pounds of ultra capacitors (300 kjoules of energy) could push a 300 pound
motorcycle and rider to 120 mph. This assumes 80% drive train efficiency
and 20% energy lost due to wind drag. Remember that capacitor stored
energy =.5 * C * V**2. When your capacitor bank's voltage has dropped to
45%, you have used 80% of the stored energy.
56 pounds of Maxwell ultracapacitors costs $3500 plus shipping.
Is this possible? Did I screw up the calculations?
See this link for capacitor information:
http://www.maxwell.com/
Thanks, Mark T.
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I'm not sure this would work very well. I believe that belleville
washers are made out of spring steel. If you "spank" a regular washer
and then tighten it flat, it will probably be quite happy to stay flat
(I.e. little or no pressure)
> stores. However, you can probably use a regular washer, and
> "spank" it with a wide punch and hefty hammer to get that
> bowed/dish effect. In some of my EV projects, a friend and I did
> it this way.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Millhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: evlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Universal Posts
>
>
> I guess I should give more info about my car, so you can make a
> better suggestion. It's probably about 300 lbs, has a 1221c
> Curtis, 9 inch ADC motor, and 1200 lbs of 245 ah Exide 6-volts
> (they are comp. to T145's). Where can I get some of those
> Bellville washers? Thanks,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:14 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Universal Posts
>
> Richard,
>
> your exide 108s are probably the same as a T108.
>
> Peter can comment on the washers.
> but you need to POST what type of motor, controller,
> and the weight of your EV.
>
> When my Blazer was first converted, they used automotive
> lugs. Later when automotive lug posts were more hassle
> and cost to get, I changed to the S post, and have been
> changing my automotive lug cables over to flat blade type.
>
> So, I still have a mix. I do not see a problem with a
> mix at my currents (300 battery amps).
>
> -Bruce
>
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Here is one place.
http://www.mscdirect.com/PDF.process?pdf=1242&Keyword=Y
Carbon Steel
http://www.mscdirect.com/MSCCatLookup2.process?MSCProdID=87778643
Stainless
http://www.mscdirect.com/MSCCatLookup2.process?MSCProdID=87779336
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hursch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 1:08 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Universal Posts
My set of Bellvills came from ElectroAutomotive when I purchased
my VoltsRabbit kit, and I don't know where ElectroAutomotive got
them from. I don't recall seeing them in many of the hardware
stores. However, you can probably use a regular washer, and
"spank" it with a wide punch and hefty hammer to get that
bowed/dish effect. In some of my EV projects, a friend and I did
it this way.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Millhouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: evlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Universal Posts
I guess I should give more info about my car, so you can make a
better suggestion. It's probably about 300 lbs, has a 1221c
Curtis, 9 inch ADC motor, and 1200 lbs of 245 ah Exide 6-volts
(they are comp. to T145's). Where can I get some of those
Bellville washers? Thanks,
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce EVangel Parmenter
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Universal Posts
Richard,
your exide 108s are probably the same as a T108.
Peter can comment on the washers.
but you need to POST what type of motor, controller,
and the weight of your EV.
When my Blazer was first converted, they used automotive
lugs. Later when automotive lug posts were more hassle
and cost to get, I changed to the S post, and have been
changing my automotive lug cables over to flat blade type.
So, I still have a mix. I do not see a problem with a
mix at my currents (300 battery amps).
-Bruce
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I know this has been asked before, but I can't remember a definitive
yes-or-no: my Kewet has a Curtis controller with 350A peak, and I have an
unused 275A version of the same voltage (a rebuild by Golf Tech). Can I add
the second controller to boost the peak current, or should I just install a
bypass contactor? If I do the latter, I was thinking of adding a 12V
battery in the circuit to give higher-than-usual voltage, but don't know if
I need to do something with the controller circuit or if it is OK to just
switch between the 2 setups without a pause.
Russell
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At 05:09 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
>>We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain names. We would like
>>to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer. If anyone on this list is a sales rep
>>to these manufacturers,
>
>Aren't domain squatters fun.
Owning keyword domains has nothing to do with squatting because no person or company
has any rights to any of my domains. My post had to do with marketing EVs online in
the most effective and least effective manner. I want to promote them. If they are
not promoted right we will soon destroy our planet. It amazes me how little the auto
industry knows about online marketing. If any other industry operated like the auto
industry, when it comes to Internet marketing, they'd be bankrupt a long time ago.
Andrew Wysotski
http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/
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Michael Hurley wrote:
> They are universally readable if everyone uses the same font.
...and the same character set.
> This is why most e-mail readers default to Courier.
Unfortunately far too many people use the hideous readers supplied by Micro$oft, which
don't.
We can't expect everyone on the list to use the same font, the same
character set, or the same anything-at-all. So let's just stick with the
standard 7-bit printable set, please.
Even then, people using British-English should avoid using the pound
symbol (currency) because American-English sees it as a hash mark
(also called a "pound" sign by some).
> This poses a
> real problem in my profession (the print industry).
I bet it does!
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LRW at clear.net.nz
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"Yes, I quite like cats."
"Leg or breast?"
Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman
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Well I was suprised to see a big paddle Magne Charger and an ICS-200 (side
by side with two parking spaces) with a fist looking like connector at the
vehice maintance center next to the performing arts building. Didn't
someone sell adapters to allow 110 & 220 users to use these devices?
Lawrence Rhodes...
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Has anyone heard of the Kewet EV from Finland?
Any idea on range and speed?
It looks like a comutacar or citikar.
Carmen in Sacramento
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Lawrence,
The EAA sells an adapter box for allowing Avcon to 220vac output. There is
no neutral, so you cannot pull 110vac off of this connection.
BTW - for charging locations, best to look at evchargernews. The link for
Bay Area charging is:
http://evchargernews.home.attbi.com/ch-bay-all.htm
Side note to Lawrence: did they reset the Avcon ICS-200 charger? It alarmed
when I tried charging las Tues, Mar 25 and as of this past Monday was still
out of operations. Is the red light still on? Need to get an update for the
charger website...
BR, fellow public charger,
Ed Thorpe
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From: Lawrence Rhodes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Chabot College Magne Charger and ICS-200
Well I was suprised to see a big paddle Magne Charger and an ICS-200 (side
by side with two parking spaces) with a fist looking like connector at the
vehice maintance center next to the performing arts building. Didn't
someone sell adapters to allow 110 & 220 users to use these devices?
Lawrence Rhodes...
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Carmen,
The Kewet was manufactured in Demark during the 1990s. Several 1992 EL-Jet
II's and 1993 EL-Jet III's came into California and have poped up at various
times on the used EV market (which is where I got mine).
The Kewet was used to prototype the TH!NK City in Norway.
Within the past year of so a company in Norway bought the rights to continue
building the Kewet, now the EL-Jet5. Lots of websites available. Kewet
owners should probably piggyback on the TH!NK DL for specific interaction.
Better than starting a new sites, especially since most are used mid-90s
models.
I don't think there's been any EVs developed nor manufactured in Finland.
BR,
Ed Thorpe
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From: Carmen Farruggia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kewet EV
Has anyone heard of the Kewet EV from Finland?
Any idea on range and speed?
It looks like a comutacar or citikar.
Carmen in Sacramento
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It's still spam and is in direct violation of the list charter. You
aren't going to make any friends here pulling these kinds of stunts.
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 14:21, Andrew Wysotski wrote:
> At 05:09 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
> >>We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain names. We would
> >>like to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer. If anyone on this list is a
> >>sales rep to these manufacturers,
> >
> >Aren't domain squatters fun.
>
> Owning keyword domains has nothing to do with squatting because no person or company
> has any rights to any of my domains. My post had to do with marketing EVs online in
> the most effective and least effective manner. I want to promote them. If they are
> not promoted right we will soon destroy our planet. It amazes me how little the
> auto industry knows about online marketing. If any other industry operated like the
> auto industry, when it comes to Internet marketing, they'd be bankrupt a long time
> ago.
>
> Andrew Wysotski
> http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/
>
>
>
> >--
> >John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> >http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
>
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Am I sending this to the right address for the EV list?
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Hello Andrew,
Your argument doesn't hold in my short experiment searching for the
words: hybrid gasoline electric vehicles. I searched yahoo, google,
msn, lycos and 411 and none of them showed your keyword domain
http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/ It wasn't first in
the list, it wasn't on the first page of results. What gives?
Many search engines work based on the number of times the search
words show up in the content of the website, not the domain name,
and some, like google, rank sites by the number of links to the site
from other websites, though the ways and means of ranking sites is
always changing.
I couldn't find your site by searching, only when I directly typed
the url in my address bar. Show me a search engine that can find
your keyword domains by searching the keywords.
David
S. David Lalonde
Soopah Packs @ http://www.soopah.com/
E-mail: davidl @ soopah.com
PS I know nobody searches for soopah, but my site comes up when
people search for lithium battery packs for personal electric
vehicles, or specifically electric bikes, bicycles, and scooters.
It is the content and the links to the site that improve search
results.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 05:09 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> >At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
> >>We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain
names. We would like to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer.
If anyone on this list is a sales rep to these manufacturers,
> >
> >Aren't domain squatters fun.
>
> Owning keyword domains has nothing to do with squatting because no
person or company has any rights to any of my domains. My post had
to do with marketing EVs online in the most effective and least
effective manner. I want to promote them. If they are not promoted
right we will soon destroy our planet. It amazes me how little the
auto industry knows about online marketing. If any other industry
operated like the auto industry, when it comes to Internet
marketing, they'd be bankrupt a long time ago.
>
> Andrew Wysotski
> http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/
>
>
>
> >--
> >John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
> >http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
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Besides which, if he were really that concerned about saving the
planet, he'd be donating the names, or at least selling them at cost.
The last thing a real EV company should need to worry about is paying
a middle-man for rights to a useful domain name.
-Adam Kuehn
It's still spam and is in direct violation of the list charter. You
aren't going to make any friends here pulling these kinds of stunts.
On Thu, 2003-04-03 at 14:21, Andrew Wysotski wrote:
At 05:09 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
> >>We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain
names. We would like to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer.
If anyone on this list is a sales rep to these manufacturers,
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At 11:01 PM 4/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>Am I sending this to the right address for the EV list?
>
>-------------------------------
>
>Hello Andrew,
>
>Your argument doesn't hold in my short experiment searching for the
>words: hybrid gasoline electric vehicles. I searched yahoo, google,
>msn, lycos and 411 and none of them showed your keyword domain
>http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/ It wasn't first in
>the list, it wasn't on the first page of results. What gives?
Please email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss this further. Some people
have considered my message and request spam, so I would like to take this discussion
elsewhere. Discussing EV marketing isn't of ineterest to them.
I will email you directly. In short for anyone who is interested in marketing
vehicles to the public, our domains aren't developed yet and aren't indexed in any
search engines. I do have www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com online, only to sell
my domains through. I have just forwarded this domain to individuals only.
My theory isn't a theory, it's a well established marketing fact and I'd be happy to
prove it anyone. To start read the articles I have at the bottom of the page. One
person wrote their thesis on the fact that television and print ads are a waste of
money to promote web sales through. The lack of interest or ability in marketing EV's
makes me sad. It's NOT about developing a "better" product and then expecting the
world to flock to you. Again study Micro$oft / Apple's history. It's not even about
your product! Instead it's ALL about marketing. At some point the EV industry needs
to show interest in EFFECTIVE marketing to communicate to actual BUYERS and it would
be nice if this list addresses some of these issues. Ross Perot once said something
to the effect that teaching the auto industry how to market efficiently is like trying
to teach an elephant to tap dance. The auto industry is the last to learn how to make
use of the Internet. So keep investing, developin!
g and manufacturing EV's while regular people continue to buy gas cars as they always
have. After all as humans we will do what is familiar to us, even if it means
personal danger!
Please correspond to me directly at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for your reply
Andrew
>Many search engines work based on the number of times the search
>words show up in the content of the website, not the domain name,
>and some, like google, rank sites by the number of links to the site
>from other websites, though the ways and means of ranking sites is
>always changing.
>
>I couldn't find your site by searching, only when I directly typed
>the url in my address bar. Show me a search engine that can find
>your keyword domains by searching the keywords.
>
>David
>
>S. David Lalonde
>Soopah Packs @ http://www.soopah.com/
>E-mail: davidl @ soopah.com
>
>PS I know nobody searches for soopah, but my site comes up when
>people search for lithium battery packs for personal electric
>vehicles, or specifically electric bikes, bicycles, and scooters.
>It is the content and the links to the site that improve search
>results.
>
>--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Wysotski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 05:09 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>> >At 04:43 PM 4/2/2003 -0800, Andrew Wysotski stated:
>> >>We own the largest block of alternative auto, keyword, domain
>names. We would like to sell them as a unit to one manufacturer.
>If anyone on this list is a sales rep to these manufacturers,
>> >
>> >Aren't domain squatters fun.
>>
>> Owning keyword domains has nothing to do with squatting because no
>person or company has any rights to any of my domains. My post had
>to do with marketing EVs online in the most effective and least
>effective manner. I want to promote them. If they are not promoted
>right we will soon destroy our planet. It amazes me how little the
>auto industry knows about online marketing. If any other industry
>operated like the auto industry, when it comes to Internet
>marketing, they'd be bankrupt a long time ago.
>>
>> Andrew Wysotski
>> http://www.hybridgasolineelectricvehicles.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> >--
>> >John G. Lussmyer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
>> >http://www.CasaDelGato.Com
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Not unless you have a double string of Nickel Metal Hydride batteries
atleast on at 65 mph or even at 55 mph. You might travel 60-70 miles
at a constant 35 mph with Trojan T125's or even Optimas.
On Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:35:16 -0800 "The Levine Family"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2409894024&;
cat
> egory=10368
>
> Anyone know if a Lectric Leopard can go 60-70 miles on the highway?
> And I
> don't get this statement: We have listed this as a private auction
> to save
> bidders from golf cart spam.
>
>
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The only thing wrong with a Tango is when it meets up with a monster SUV.
On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:25:23 -0800 Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> David Roden (Akron OH USA) wrote:
> >
> > On 2 Apr 2003 at 11:45, Rich Rudman wrote:
> >
> > > If Rick could make a Single seat Tango lite, 8 inch motor 500
> amps of
> > > Curtis type controller, and the bare interior essentials, we
> could have
> > > a HONEST Sparrow.
> >
> > At least for me, the single seat made the Sparrow a no-starter.
> True, I do
> > a lot of driving alone ... but I also go a lot of places with
> Margaret.
> >
> > Besides, an EV just ^has^ to be shown off to friends, especially
> when it's
> > brand new. What are you going to do, make 'em ride on the roof?
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = =
> > Want to unsubscribe, stop the EV list mail while you're on
> vacation, or
> > switch to digest mode? See http://www.evdl.org/help/
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = =
> > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> > 1991 Solectria Force 144vac
> > 1991 Ford Escort Green/EV 128vdc
> > 1970 GE Elec-trak E15 36vdc
> > 1974 Avco New Idea rider 36vdc
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = =
> > Thou shalt not send me any thing which says unto thee, "send this
> to all
> > thou knowest." Neither shalt thou send me any spam, lest I smite
> thee.
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> = =
>
> WRONG!!! The concept was a single seater commuter car.
> it's still as valid as it was.
> Get a coupe or somthing else , Sparrows are what the clogged roads
> need.
> The Tango is the next best concept. Still most 9 to 5 ers out there
> run
> solo.
> Until that change there is a vacant gap in the EV commuter world.
>
> Nice feature creep... No dice here.
> --
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
>
>
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